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"you completely missed the other points!"

eh...oh, the points about vigilantes have guns? Or...
"Go get 'em fellers"?
"The Washington ... Read More 

"you completely missed the other points!"

eh...oh, the points about vigilantes have guns? Or...
"Go get 'em fellers"?
"The Washington Post is not a liberal front group"?
"Minutemen militia is an anti-immigrant organization"?
"this is an issue for the PROPER AUTHORITIES to take care of!!!"?
"Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, was caught on video last week slamming “Ron Paul fanatics” ?
" the apple never falls far from the tree... " ?

 

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Must be the hate part was the only portion you read 45 times! No surprise that you got stuck there... After all it was you that kept repeating "ties to hate groups ... Read More 

Must be the hate part was the only portion you read 45 times! No surprise that you got stuck there... After all it was you that kept repeating "ties to hate groups - click...ties to hate groups - click... Nope, no surprise at all you got stuck on hate and couldn't proceed any further!

The debate was about MUCH more than that and it certainly doesn't surprise me at all that you completely missed the other points!

You're even confused about the Sylvan reference! Again, I'm not surprised you missed that either! Try going back and reading that portion 45 times - seems to be your magic number! Perhaps you're confused by the aka?
It means, Also Known As... remember now, 45 times!!!

 

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"you don't even have a clue as to what the debate has been all about to begin with!"

I have a pretty good idea. "Ties to hate"...click.."ties ... Read More 

"you don't even have a clue as to what the debate has been all about to begin with!"

I have a pretty good idea. "Ties to hate"...click.."ties to hate"...click..."ties to hate"

And what is it with you and this Sylvan character? Is that what you named your alter ego? (:])

 

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That was an amazing attempt RCR, another feeble attempt, but an attempt nonetheless....

BTW - you don't even have a clue as to what the debate has been all about to begin ... Read More 

That was an amazing attempt RCR, another feeble attempt, but an attempt nonetheless....

BTW - you don't even have a clue as to what the debate has been all about to begin with! The evidence of that has been contained within the comments you've made in your posts... caused by your reading comprehension issue or the lack of oxygen reaching your brain...???!!!

Everyone now, please stand up and give Sylvan (aka RCR, aka Rock'n chair Rambler) a round of applause for his attempts! It makes him feel better... Ha ha ha ha ha... LMAO!!!

 

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"I typed real slow for you this time"

I could tell. No typos.

Hey EmTy, aren't you tired of beating this dead horse? There are about a dozen other good ... Read More 

"I typed real slow for you this time"

I could tell. No typos.

Hey EmTy, aren't you tired of beating this dead horse? There are about a dozen other good articles with a bunch of Obama bashin' goin' on. You lost this argument about 128 comments ago.

 

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Can't wait for his (RCRs) next feeble attempt at a "comeback" based upon "something" that he just pulls out of thin air... Thin air, hmmmm, RCR, ... Read More 

Can't wait for his (RCRs) next feeble attempt at a "comeback" based upon "something" that he just pulls out of thin air... Thin air, hmmmm, RCR, are you getting enough oxygen to the brain of yours? Perhaps we've stumbled upon something here...

 

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RCR, The Sylvan Learning Center - repeat that 45 times! I typed real slow for you this time>>>>

 

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Read it 45 times and still doesn't have a clue!

 

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RCR - Perhaps you can explain what ACORN, American Civil Liberties Union -- Policy, Americans United for Separation of Church & State, Earthjustice, Feminist ... Read More 

RCR - Perhaps you can explain what ACORN, American Civil Liberties Union -- Policy, Americans United for Separation of Church & State, Earthjustice, Feminist Majority, NARAL Pro-Choice America, National Abortion Federation, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc., Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) have to do with The Texas Border Volunteers, or even what they have to do with each other...??? You have some VERY Serious reading comprension issues... Maybe you should seriously consider not posting until you resolve this shortcoming of yours!

 

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"RCR - have you even read what I've posted... "

Only the first 45 times you posted it.

click....click....click

Oh hey. Here's a few "connections" ... Read More 

"RCR - have you even read what I've posted... "

Only the first 45 times you posted it.

click....click....click

Oh hey. Here's a few "connections" you missed:
ACORN
American Civil Liberties Union -- Policy
Americans United for Separation of Church & State
Earthjustice
Feminist Majority
NARAL Pro-Choice America
National Abortion Federation
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Planned Parenthood
Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc.
Americans for Democratic Action (ADA)

 

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a poem by Edgar AlGore Poe:

One thin September soon
a floating continent disappears
In midnight sun

Vapors rise as
Fever settles on an acid sea
Neptune's bones ... Read More 

a poem by Edgar AlGore Poe:

One thin September soon
a floating continent disappears
In midnight sun

Vapors rise as
Fever settles on an acid sea
Neptune's bones dissolve

Snow glides from the mountain
Ice fathers floods for a season
A hard rain comes quickly

Then dirt is parched
Kindling is placed in the forest
For the lightning's celebration

Unknown creatures
Take their leave, unmourned
Horsemen ready their stirrups

Passion seeks heroes and friends
The bell of the city
On the hill is rung

The shepherd cries
The hour of choosing has arrived
Here are your tools

 

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RCR - have you even read what I've posted... I'll give you some hints...

1. Vigilantes
2. Mr. Vickers
3. Mr. Gilchrist
4. Mr. Simcox
5. Minutemen Project
6. Minuteman ... Read More 

RCR - have you even read what I've posted... I'll give you some hints...

1. Vigilantes
2. Mr. Vickers
3. Mr. Gilchrist
4. Mr. Simcox
5. Minutemen Project
6. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
7. Ties to hate groups
8. Connections

You figure out the rest...!

Reading comprehension issues on your part, I get it, and so does everyone else reading your posts! I've tried typing slower just for you! I've provided you with a suggestion as to where you go and potentially receive some help... It's up to you - The Sylvan Learning Center - have your mommy take you!

 

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click...click....click...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

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Absolutely 4GT everyone can tell from the URLs that I've provided not only here but in other postings that the only places I visit are "Huffington Post dot org" ... Read More 

Absolutely 4GT everyone can tell from the URLs that I've provided not only here but in other postings that the only places I visit are "Huffington Post dot org" and of course all those other "ultra radical left wing liberal websites"... ha ha ha ha ha ha...

BTW - Do you ever provide any posting that contains anything other than right winged rhetoric, right winged hatred, right winged mis-leadings, or right winged mis-information?

You are singerly the most hateful & negative person I have ever come across in my life - you must be very lonely! No wonder you can't decide which lie you've told in the past (can't keep up with them all I suppose)... You live in Sutherland Springs, you live in Austin, you live in/near the Sangre De Cristo Mountains.

Really now... or is it you're scared to death someone will find you... Can't even tell the truth about what it is you do... claimed to be in real estate, claimed to be retired, claimed to never visit Fox News, claimed to never listen to Rush, claimed to never listen to Beck, claimed this, claimed that, done this done that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah)... What a lonely existance you must lead, such a sad, sad, sad case indeed!!!

 

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"MT is an empty vessel"

Hence the name, "EmTy".

What have we learned? A mind is a terrible thing to waste?

 

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~~~~~~~Can't we just all get along~~~~~(:])

 

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"When and where did I say that it wasn't illegal? "

You didn't exactly, but all your references, your "facts", basically all those links you ... Read More 

"When and where did I say that it wasn't illegal? "

You didn't exactly, but all your references, your "facts", basically all those links you paste, are laced with the term, "anti-immigrant".

Now, I realize that is a very difficult concept for one of your vastly superior intellect to grasp, but believe me, there is a big difference between "anti-immigrant" and "anti-ILLEGAL immigrant".

Get it?

 

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:-)

 

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"ties to hate groups -click...ties to hate groups-click...ties to hate groups -click...ties to hate groups-click ........"

 

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And, what have all you MT bashers learned from the futile exercise of trying to discuss topics?

Uh, like Nothing, Dude!

MT has nothing of any reasonable logic to bring ... Read More 

And, what have all you MT bashers learned from the futile exercise of trying to discuss topics?

Uh, like Nothing, Dude!

MT has nothing of any reasonable logic to bring to any discussion. MT has no original thoughts. MT can not sum up his background, religion, experiences,cares, concerns, thoughts into a statement that summaries his feelings...all MT can do is cut/paste drivel from the Huffington Post dot org or other ultra radical left wing liberal websites.

MT is an empty vessel my friends...he has no mind, no heart, and no untampered ideas or feelings.

 

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Same ole EmTy, I see. Insulting everyone. Have a good day!

 

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Senior Citizen - Ok, fair enough... but did you actually take time out to read why the two veered away from each other... most likely not...

Rock'n chair Rambler - did ... Read More 

Senior Citizen - Ok, fair enough... but did you actually take time out to read why the two veered away from each other... most likely not...

Rock'n chair Rambler - did you actually read the rest of the Washington Post article or are you satisfied with your pointless, feeble rant at this point in time!

 

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William Jefferson (money in the freezer) and Henry Cuellar (our representative) "evolved from the same origins, but have veered in different directions" ... it ... Read More 

William Jefferson (money in the freezer) and Henry Cuellar (our representative) "evolved from the same origins, but have veered in different directions" ... it happens!

 

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Go ahead Rock'n chair Rambler now start performing some research (already posted) on The Minuteman Project their connections (past & present) and who has been connected ... Read More 

Go ahead Rock'n chair Rambler now start performing some research (already posted) on The Minuteman Project their connections (past & present) and who has been connected to them both in the past and currently...

I know, I know, I always have to walk you thru this stuff very slowly...

 

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When and where did I say that it wasn't illegal? Those words, those thoughts never came from anything I've posted. I'm not sure what your rant is all about...??? Is ... Read More 

When and where did I say that it wasn't illegal? Those words, those thoughts never came from anything I've posted. I'm not sure what your rant is all about...??? Is there some sort of point you're trying to make???

 

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If I may put that another way....

ILLEGAL. As in, NOT legal. In other words, by definition, criminal. Can you say CRIMINAL TRESPASS?

Can you say, ILLEGAL ENTRY?

Can ... Read More 

If I may put that another way....

ILLEGAL. As in, NOT legal. In other words, by definition, criminal. Can you say CRIMINAL TRESPASS?

Can you say, ILLEGAL ENTRY?

Can you say Mexican Drug War? Can you say, "spilling over the border?" Can you say, DANGEROUS?

Can you say 2nd Amendment? Do you believe in it? Do you believe in the right of self defense?

Do you think Lincoln was wrong to invade the South? Do you like Willie Nelson? If you answered yes to at least 3 of the above questions, you might be a true Texan.

 

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The Washington Post actually got it right:

"The Minuteman Project, an anti-illegal-immigrant organization"...

Notice the terminology, "anti-illegal-immigrant"? ... Read More 

The Washington Post actually got it right:

"The Minuteman Project, an anti-illegal-immigrant organization"...

Notice the terminology, "anti-illegal-immigrant"? Emphasis on ILLEGAL. Get it? ILLEGAL???

Notice the article does not use the liberal open border agenda meaningless smarmy term, "undocumented"????? Notice that?

 

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A former member of the Minuteman Project, Vickers still participates in citizen patrols in South Texas.He showed the committee pictures of bodies he and others have found ... Read More 

A former member of the Minuteman Project, Vickers still participates in citizen patrols in South Texas.He showed the committee pictures of bodies he and others have found on their ranches.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/immigration-1196-border-committee.html

 

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From Faux News...

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the Minuteman Project evolved from the same origins, but have veered in different directions since their leaders ... Read More 

From Faux News...

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the Minuteman Project evolved from the same origins, but have veered in different directions since their leaders first joined forces early last year.

 

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I guess I didn't ralize that The Washington Post, The Austin American Statesmen, The San Antonio Express News were one of those, what are they called again, a "pro ... Read More 

I guess I didn't ralize that The Washington Post, The Austin American Statesmen, The San Antonio Express News were one of those, what are they called again, a "pro illegal alien groups"... Deny all you want the evidence states something very different!

Just like they don't use guns in the TBV...

Here's an excerpt from a letter written by Vickers himself. His response to an editorial in the San Antonio Express News... I guess he has no connections with Chris Simcox either???

Mike L. Vickers
Special to the Express-News

"There is no question in my mind that this editorial, denouncing the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, or MCDC, is a display of the total ignorance of the reality of the illegal immigration crisis on our nation's southern border."

"Last October, Chris Simcox, founder of the MCDC, and his citizen volunteers were invited to observe, and report to authorities, the illegal activities on my ranch and other ranches in Brooks County. As a result of Simcox and his fine volunteers, the flow of illegal aliens was quickly reduced to a trickle."

"I support and applaud the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol and other law enforcement agencies, but I know they are underfunded and overwhelmed by this massive unarmed invasion of our state. Fellow ranchers and I are basically on our own when it comes to protecting our families and our property. I know I can speak for my neighbors when I write that we welcome the efforts of Simcox and his growing numbers of MCDC citizen volunteers."

And according to Vickers hiself, from what organization are those volunteers coming from again - MMP...

No connections here??? Right...???

 

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"ties to hate groups -click...ties to hate groups-click...ties to hate groups -click...ties to hate groups-click ........"

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

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Mediation!

You are so misinformed...and you should not believe everything you little pro illegal alien groups spew forth in writing.

Vickers has never had an affiliation ... Read More 

Mediation!

You are so misinformed...and you should not believe everything you little pro illegal alien groups spew forth in writing.

Vickers has never had an affiliation with MMP(Gilchrist).

Either you are an illegal alien yourself(nahh,sound to educated) or maybe you are one of those transplant Texans(I wannabee Texan)from the liberal north!

 

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I wish next was 2012 so we could sweep "all" the trash out of Washington.

 

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Yep, next year the real American boss (voters) are gonna sweep the trash out of Washington.

 

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Oh yeah,let us not forget ol' Cold Cash Jefferson! bwahahaha

Well, next year will bring a breath of fresh air to the halls of Congress.

 

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Yes, an organization has problems. That does not mean the cause is not just, the majority of people involved are not doing a good job, and that everyone is bad? ... Read More 

Yes, an organization has problems. That does not mean the cause is not just, the majority of people involved are not doing a good job, and that everyone is bad?

With your conclusions, let's see. In Congress we had William Jefferson freezing money, Barney Frank admitting to, among other things, an affair with a male prostitute, and more than a dozen members of congress are currently under investigation by the congressional ethics committee. The list goes on. ... Guilt by association?

 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201297.h
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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vid
s.individual&VideoID=43088304

That wouldn't be a gun strapped to the side of Mr. Vickers now would it?

 

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I wonder if Warthog's other "nickname" might be?
"Hoot" perhaps...?
Might explain a thing or two...

 

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Why would I call LE to confirm whether or not these vigilantes are connected or to confirm whether or not they carry weapons... Vickers himself has been quoted confirming ... Read More 

Why would I call LE to confirm whether or not these vigilantes are connected or to confirm whether or not they carry weapons... Vickers himself has been quoted confirming that fact.

 

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The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR) is an umbrella group of American liberal interest groups, to name but a few:
*National Council of La Raza
*Service Employees ... Read More 

The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR) is an umbrella group of American liberal interest groups, to name but a few:
*National Council of La Raza
*Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
*Southern Poverty Law Center

Save Our Courts is a project of LCCR and LCCREF. Some of their Campaign Partners:
ACORN
American Civil Liberties Union -- Policy
Americans United for Separation of Church & State
Earthjustice
Feminist Majority
NARAL Pro-Choice America
National Abortion Federation
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Planned Parenthood
Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc.
Americans for Democratic Action (ADA)

And here are the immigration goals of ADA as listed on their own website:
*Promote family unification as a top priority for legal immigration.
*“Merit,” skills, advanced degrees, and being an English-speaker should no longer be preference categories.
*Admit much larger numbers of legal immigrants each year. Criteria for granting asylum and refugee status should include various kinds of social and cultural oppression, abjuring racism and nativism.
*Affirm the full and inviolable citizenship of children born in the US, regardless of the immigration status of their parents.
*Enforce the constitutional rights and economic entitlements of all people residing in the US, regardless of *US citizenship and immigration status. Raids and roundups that criminalize undocumented workers must stop, and the right of undocumented immigrants to equal treatment in prison must be enforced.
*Enforce the right of undocumented immigrants to participate in unions and to the benefit of all labor rights.

Somehow I think there might just be an agenda of sorts goin' on here.

 

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Again, the numbers are:

Brooks County Sheriff 361-325-3696
Falfurrias Border Patrol 361-325-7000

Can you handle it???

 

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Nope - Jim Gilchrist Mike Vickers, click...

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

The LCCREF's report calls out the anti-immigration ... Read More 

Nope - Jim Gilchrist Mike Vickers, click...

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

The LCCREF's report calls out the anti-immigration groups Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), and NumbersUSA for their negative portrayal of immigrants and their links with extremists.

A disturbing video of Forde speaking on behalf of FAIR was leaked. Forde also served as the 2008-2009 Border Director for Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Civil Defense Corps' splinter group, the Minuteman project.

Gilchrist has appeared as a guest on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight and Fox News's Glenn Beck and Hannity & Colmes. It has also surfaced that Shawna Forde co-hosted "the pinnacle Conservative event of 2007," which featured Gilchrist along with GOP presidential candidates Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson. Tancredo made sure to send a representative from his campaign and a letter extending his regrets for being unable to attend the "Illegal Immigration Summit." Tancredo's campaign chair has dismissed the letter as a "boiler plate" response.

 

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"ties to hate groups -click...ties to hate groups-click

 

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Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund (LCCREF) released a new report tying the ... Read More 

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund (LCCREF) released a new report tying the immigration debate's vitriolic rhetoric to the growing number of hate crimes against Latinos and "perceived immigrants."

The report warned of a connection between hate crime incidents, extremist anti-immigrant groups and hateful anti-immigrant rhetoric's "infiltration of the mainstream media." Concerns arose late last year when FBI statistics showed another sharp increase in hate crimes targeting Latinos for the fourth year in a row.

Shortly thereafter, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released a controversial report warning that the frustration of right-wing extremist groups "over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration" might incite violence.

Right-wing pundits and politicians quickly attacked the report, calling it "laughable" and "funny." Less than a month later, no one is laughing about DHS's warnings. In what appears to be a chain of hate-related violence, Shawna Forde, an Arizona Minuteman leader and head of the Minuteman American Defense (MAD) group, and two of her associates were charged this week with murdering a nine-year-old Hispanic girl and her father.

The trio allegedly broke into a home dressed as law enforcement officers looking for money and drugs to finance the Minutemen group. The same week that the LCCREF's report issued its warnings, information arose tying Forde to prominent Republican leaders and mainstream anti-immigration organizations.

 

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Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Jim Gilchrist, co-founder (the other being Mike Vickers)of the Minuteman Project, was caught on video ... Read More 

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Jim Gilchrist, co-founder (the other being Mike Vickers)of the Minuteman Project, was caught on video slamming “Ron Paul fanatics” in the anti-immigration movement along with tea-bagger wannabe William Gheen who organized a poorly attended “copycat” anti-immigration tea party protests:

I used to support Ron Paul, until I had this falling out with these Ron Paul fanatics. They’re not all that way, just too many. The ones that I’ve met, who are very hateful people, have no business supporting Ron Paul. Jeff Schwilk and William Gheen have no business being in political activism because, in my blatant personal opinion, they are outright racists.

A case of the pot calling the kettle black...

Gilchrist has long attempted to distinguish his “multi-ethnic” border vigilante group from more overtly racist organizations such as Gheen’s Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC). However, their public feud is more the product of personal infighting than ideological differences.

The Minuteman Project’s ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a “white supremacist hate group” which even co-hosted a “strategy session” with one of the Minuteman Project’s chapters.

The Minuteman Project is “highly publicized among right-wing extremists ranging from militia groups to white supremacist organizations,” including neo-Nazi National Alliance members.

Harvard University even, at one time, canceled Gilchrist’s invitation to speak at the campus, explaining that his views were “not compatible with providing an environment for civil, educational, and productive discourse on immigration.”

Gilchrist even has offered a more convincing explanation for the mutual contempt held amongst nativist groups: “personality disorders” or “just hate for the competition.” Gilchrist claims Gheen’s hatred for him started when he refused to hand over his email lists and that his group was later attacked by Gheen for endorsing Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) for President over Ron Paul. Both candidates pandered to the right-wing anti-immigrant fringe during their 2008 presidential campaigns. Connections, connections, connections - Birds of feather...

 

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"Vigilantes with connections"

Don't know what this has to do with updating facts by contacting LE about TBV in respect to vigliantism and carrying assault ... Read More 

"Vigilantes with connections"

Don't know what this has to do with updating facts by contacting LE about TBV in respect to vigliantism and carrying assault rifles on the line.

AGAIN, Federal agents and local LE are in the field with volunteers at any given time. If there is anything to your claims, they can give you conformation.

This isn't that difficult.

 

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Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Shouldn't leave out the connection between Jim Gilchrist (Minuteman Project) and Chris Simcox, ... Read More 

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Shouldn't leave out the connection between Jim Gilchrist (Minuteman Project) and Chris Simcox, of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

Both complete "whack jobs" in their own right...

From these two the connections go on and on and on and on! It's like a huge vigilante "family tree"...

BTW - Bill Murray was awesome in Groundhog Day!!! I've watched it many times - still funny to this day!

 

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"tactics and strategies evolve and change."

Oh, with EmTy...not so much. He's about as preditable as a skipping record.

Arguing with him is like being ... Read More 

"tactics and strategies evolve and change."

Oh, with EmTy...not so much. He's about as preditable as a skipping record.

Arguing with him is like being forced to watch Groundhog Day over and over and over.

 

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Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Clearly there was a conection between Mike Vickers and Jim Gilchrist - what a "whack-job" ... Read More 

Vigilantes with connections, connections, connections, connections!!!

Clearly there was a conection between Mike Vickers and Jim Gilchrist - what a "whack-job" Gilchrist is!

Clearly there was a dispute between the two, over a substantial amount of money - not idealogy, just before the two broke off and Vickers formed his own group - TBV...

Those facts are Undisputed!!! The rest is not hard to figure out, unless of course you simply don't want to and that's fine as well... It is what it is!

 

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MT, Your link is from March 2007. My comment was about the "CURRENT" ROE. As a former military member you know that tactics and strategies evolve and change.

I ... Read More 

MT, Your link is from March 2007. My comment was about the "CURRENT" ROE. As a former military member you know that tactics and strategies evolve and change.

I did the homework for you, so go ahead and bring your intel up to date. The contact information for LE was not hard to find.

Aren't you just a little curious about what you might learn????

 

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"Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio..."
"...an anti-immigrant organization..."
"Though he said...."
"...he broke ties with... ... Read More 

"Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio..."
"...an anti-immigrant organization..."
"Though he said...."
"...he broke ties with... "
"...operates in a similar fashion... "
"...the civilian version of ...."

Notice the bias? I do, and so would anyone with an ounce of an open mind. The article quoted is BIASED. OK? It's just a very good source to fuel the HATRED driven, open borders agenda. It assumes too much, uses too many hot button terms, and it has a clear agenda. Get it?

Consider it yet again debunked and exposed for what it is.

 

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http://www.newspapertree.com/politics/1264-state-hears-el-paso-officials-on-immigration-debate

"Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers ... Read More 

http://www.newspapertree.com/politics/1264-state-hears-el-paso-officials-on-immigration-debate

"Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen for one year, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership.

Though he said that the Texas Border Volunteers are a different organization from the Minutemen, Vickers organization operates in a similar fashion to the Minutemen. Both groups stakeout the border in order to report, and if necessary, apprehend, any illegal immigrants they observe in desolate border areas. Also, members of both groups are armed; Vickers said his members carry handguns and M4 rifles, which are the civilian version of the military’s M16 rifle."

 

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If anyone is concerned about vigilantes in TBV they can call the Brooks County Sheriff's office 361-325-3696 or Falfurrias Border Patrol Station 361-325-7000. These numbers ... Read More 

If anyone is concerned about vigilantes in TBV they can call the Brooks County Sheriff's office 361-325-3696 or Falfurrias Border Patrol Station 361-325-7000. These numbers are on the net. While you are at it ask about the presence of M4s or any other assault rifles on the lines during CURRENT TBV operations. LE would know since they are in the field with the volunteers.

I think you will find MT is digging in a dry well on this one.

 

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Provide some proof... You still have not done so, ever, not once!!!

 

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"Still waiting for you to debunk something there brainiac! "

I'm still waiting for you to post something that hasn't already been debunked, crushed, trampled ... Read More 

"Still waiting for you to debunk something there brainiac! "

I'm still waiting for you to post something that hasn't already been debunked, crushed, trampled and burned at least a dozen times by just about everyone who comments on this forum.

Meds, you remind me of that one guy standing in formation one morning in basic training who showed up without his gloves. The D.I. walked up to him, got right up in his face and yelled, "Do you feel stupid?!!!"

Don't be that guy.....

 

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Still waiting for you to debunk something there brainiac!

 

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"Have a great day!!! "

Does that mean you're going to get back to work and leave the blogging to someone who knows something?

 

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Na - just seems to fit many of the bloggers here at WCN, including yourself! I'll stay with this one! Appreciate the suggestion though! Have a great day!!!

 

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"sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

Now, that was original too. Where have we seen that before? Or, shall I say, how many times have we seen that before? ... Read More 

"sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

Now, that was original too. Where have we seen that before? Or, shall I say, how many times have we seen that before? Can't you find any other MLK quotes worth copying?
We're a little tired of that one.

 

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Of course not, Continue to be satisfied with your opinions and content with your "knowledge"... "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance ... Read More 

Of course not, Continue to be satisfied with your opinions and content with your "knowledge"... "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.)

 

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"Keep reading, dig a little further... "

Don't need to. I already know enough not to put myself in a situation where I might get set up and sued by the bottom ... Read More 

"Keep reading, dig a little further... "

Don't need to. I already know enough not to put myself in a situation where I might get set up and sued by the bottom feeders like Morris Dees & co.

 

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Keep reading, dig a little further...

 

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Texas Code of Criminal Procedure
Art. 14.01. [212] [259] [247] OFFENSE WITHIN VIEW.
(a) A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant, arrest an offender ... Read More 

Texas Code of Criminal Procedure
Art. 14.01. [212] [259] [247] OFFENSE WITHIN VIEW.
(a) A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant, arrest an offender when the offense is committed in his presence or within his view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace.
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I'm not so sure about the statutory definition, if there is one, of "offense against the public peace." That's going to take some research of the case law and before I went out on a limb and risked being sued. I'd want a finding by the Texas Attorney General's office and AG Holder as well, that I was on very firm legal ground to do so. (chance of a snowball in hell Holder would give you one, and if he did, he'd turn around and swear he didn't).

Keep in mind, the penalty for illegal entry is less than 1 yr in prison, (misdemeanor).

Oh yeah, the Constitution? What's that???

 

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Cannot even produce a single sentence or source to refute/debunk anything that's been posted...

Cannot figure out the connections between the people and the hate organizations ... Read More 

Cannot even produce a single sentence or source to refute/debunk anything that's been posted...

Cannot figure out the connections between the people and the hate organizations that they represent and are (or have been) a part of or connected to...

Not even brainiac (Jack Myriad) himself??? The only thing provided to date is nothing more than additional right winged hatred and rhetoric, no facts, nothing but spew that in no way shape or form relate, just another one of their feeble attempts at trying to justify the hatred and racism...!!!

I'm 100% certain that the "fellers" would try to justify the actions of even the KKK... In reality, that's exactly what they've done but are apparently too ignorant to figure it all out!

There attempt at twisting my words have even failed...

"I never said they were the same and I challenge you to show where I did... However, Vickers certainly has been (and currently is) involved with both groups!"...

Yes, that is what I said... He was/is involved with both groups, not that both groups were the same...!!! Again, I challenge anyone to show where I said both groups are the same!

Go back and read carefully - It was alleged that I said both groups were the same when Whiskers said, and I quote, "Did you know that the MMP(minuteman Project)is not the same as MCDC(Minuteman Civil Defense Corp)?"

Go ahead go back and read, it's all there!

 

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Where in our constitution or laws does it prohibit private citizens from making citizens arrest when observing acts they know to be unlawful?

 

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Mediation Time: Calm down. You'll have a stroke if you don't manage that blood pressure.

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Information has already been provided!!!
I'm not doing your work ... Read More 

Mediation Time: Calm down. You'll have a stroke if you don't manage that blood pressure.

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Information has already been provided!!!
I'm not doing your work for you again!!!

 

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Mediation Time: Calm down. You'll have a stroke if you don't manage that blood pressure.

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I'm not doing your work ... Read More 

Mediation Time: Calm down. You'll have a stroke if you don't manage that blood pressure.

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Information has already been provided!!!
I'm not doing your work for you again!!!

 

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Seems like every post I've read tonight, this person, 'Mediation Time' is right in the middle of the toilet for some reason. That's a good place for his/her potty talk ... Read More 

Seems like every post I've read tonight, this person, 'Mediation Time' is right in the middle of the toilet for some reason. That's a good place for his/her potty talk though.

Someone asked for references, but Mediation Time only provided hot-headed boiler-plate responses without legitimate sources or references. After I read this thread of comments, I've drawn my own conclusion.

Mediation Time's responses just aren't as good as the rest. They just don't cut the queso. Mediation Time, you are a bad student. Learn from your mistakes. In a few years after we protect this country from an illegal alien invasion, you'll thank all of theses folks for saving your garbage route collection job from illegal immigrants.

You've been belittling these other men and women with nothing of any value to back up the 'R's' rolling off your lips. You really ought to check your blood pressure too. I'll bet it's so high you could pass out anytime now.

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I never said they were the same and I challenge you to show where I did... However, Vickers certainly has been (and currently is) involved with both groups! ... Read More
I never said they were the same and I challenge you to show where I did... However, Vickers certainly has been (and currently is) involved with both groups!

 

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Two comments.

First, something JFK said:

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation ... Read More 

Two comments.

First, something JFK said:

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily lives, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
I got nothing else to add.

Two, a quote from the article:
"During the last year, authorities arrested in Brooks County citizens of Bangladesh, China, Eritrea, Somalia, The Ukraine and Vietnam as well as Mexico and every South and Central American nation."

According to some twisted minds here, US authorities and the Border Volunteers must hate a whole lot of people then, from all over the world!

 

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"that information is plastered all over that internet from 100% reliable sources!!!"

eh, correction alert, that should have read: " that information ... Read More 

"that information is plastered all over that internet from 100% reliable sources!!!"

eh, correction alert, that should have read: " that information is 100% plastered from reliably racist internet sources."

 

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Information has already been provided!!!
I'm not doing your work for you again!!!

 

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Still waiting on answers to my two questions from yesterday 7:29pm. I want to be able to cite the sources in any future posts.

 

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WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...!!!

There, I've called you out - now prove it!!! I've already done so that information is plastered all over that internet ... Read More 

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...!!!

There, I've called you out - now prove it!!! I've already done so that information is plastered all over that internet from 100% reliable sources!!!

I've provided the sources already! Go back and check it's all there!!!

 

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The Vickers were involved with MCDC in the beginning and not the Minuteman Project. They were never members of MMP nor have they ever met Gilchrist.
So, you have faulty ... Read More 

The Vickers were involved with MCDC in the beginning and not the Minuteman Project. They were never members of MMP nor have they ever met Gilchrist.
So, you have faulty and inaccurate information on the Vickers.
I'm sure you are wrong and/or misinformed about many other facets of illegal immigration.

And as I stated beforeeateamember
So whomever your source

 

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"However, Vickers has been (and currently is)involved with both groups"

Could you share the factual evidence you have that supports the "and currently ... Read More 

"However, Vickers has been (and currently is)involved with both groups"

Could you share the factual evidence you have that supports the "and currently is" portion of your statement? Would also like to know your source on TBV members carrying assault rifles or any other long gun on the line.

 

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I never said they were the same and I challenge you to show where I did... However, Vickers certainly has been (and currently is) involved with both groups! ... Read More 

I never said they were the same and I challenge you to show where I did... However, Vickers certainly has been (and currently is) involved with both groups!

I guess you are simply suffering from reading comprehension issues and missed the part(s) where Vickers was a former member of Project Minuteman... All these groups are related - just read, whiskers, just read, its all there!

Remember these from earlier posts...?

"Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership."

"Dr. Michael Vickers says he joined the Minutemen because federal and state officials have failed to seriously address illegal immigration."

"In South Texas, Michael Vickers, the head of a former Minuteman group, said his organization split from the national groups because Minuteman leaders did not adapt to the needs of volunteers who patrol on private land in Texas. Financial concerns also played a role, he said."


"A former member of the Minuteman Project, Vickers still participates in citizen patrols in South Texas. He showed the committee pictures of bodies he and others have found on their ranches. "We are the impact zone.This is ground zero, as far as we're concerned," Vickers said."

In the meantime - Go Ghit em!

 

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Poor Mediation!
He just can't get it straight.
Did you know that the MMP(minuteman Project)is not the same as MCDC(Minuteman Civil Defense Corp)? ... Read More 

Poor Mediation!
He just can't get it straight.
Did you know that the MMP(minuteman Project)is not the same as MCDC(Minuteman Civil Defense Corp)?
You are so blinded by your own hate(and is your hate for America,Americans or just anglos?) that you will never be able to see the facts.

 

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Might I suggest that you go back and actually read the postings that are already there - starting with my 7 Dec 2009 10:00am entry and working your way back chronologically... ... Read More 

Might I suggest that you go back and actually read the postings that are already there - starting with my 7 Dec 2009 10:00am entry and working your way back chronologically... If you still have issues then might I also suggest getting in touch with The Sylvan Learning Center as I believe you have a reading comprehension issue...

 

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"and have many, many, many, "suspect" ties with hate groups of all kinds... "

Oh, do tell! I can't wait for this comedic adventure.

 

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FUITA

 

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LMAO

 

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Several of those conservative "thinkers" that were slandered as being biased are some of the most knowledgeable and savy folks around today. And, being conservative ... Read More 

Several of those conservative "thinkers" that were slandered as being biased are some of the most knowledgeable and savy folks around today. And, being conservative does not mean that their message is not correct.

There's a big difference between having an opinion based on facts as seen through the eyes of a Conservative and opinions that are purposely put forth to deceive, misguide, and fool the recipient like so many of liberals are guilty of

...i.e Pelosi was not informed about waterboarding by the CIA (and everyone that believes that raise their hands),

and Murtha declaring that several soldiers were guilty of cold bloodied murder (All were acquired without an accompanying apology or retraction by Murtha),

how about Reid declaring that the War in Iraq had been lost (he did this while young, brave, American soldiers were in the field being shot at and later proved to be wrong but no retraction of course),

or how about Kerry who said that American soldiers practiced terrorizing Iraqi women and children in the dark of night (no proof of course, just a far left liberal lie meant to injure Bush and the military...but, he's got good experience doing that from the Vietnam war,

and how about Axlerod, Biden et al saying that the Stimulus Bill was working

...all these examples are lies meant to deceive someone and not just facts as seen through the eyes of a liberal.

So, to say that people like Ann Coulter, Gingrich etc are biased (the commentator insinuated that they were lying) is doing them a disservice...I am familiar with most of the "biased conservatives" mentioned and I resent the implication that they are not honest and were purposely trying to deceive...I resent it cause I'm close to 100% sure that's not true.

 

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Bottom line - The "characters" that are mentioned in the "editorial" above are nothing more than a bunch of vigilantes performing work they have no ... Read More 

Bottom line - The "characters" that are mentioned in the "editorial" above are nothing more than a bunch of vigilantes performing work they have no business performing and have many, many, many, "suspect" ties with hate groups of all kinds...

Those facts certainly cannot be disputed as the evidence which has been presented is practically never ending and this paper should feel great shame in its "journalistic" attempt(s)...

 

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"negatively affect tourism and trade along the border"

Yeah, and the highly publicized drug war spilling across the border is not affecting the tourist trade ... Read More 

"negatively affect tourism and trade along the border"

Yeah, and the highly publicized drug war spilling across the border is not affecting the tourist trade at all, right?

" Mexico's government dubbed the group "migrant hunters."

Oh that is the biggest hoot you're come up with yet. The Mexico government, first of all, is a joke and they are actively helping and encouraging illegal immigration because of the dollars being sent back home to Mexico.

And, as for La Raza trying to rehabilitate it's image.... I believe the words of one rather prolific commenter would do nicely, "I wonder what most prison inmates would say if they were asked if they were guilty or innocent???"

If La Raza really wanted to change it's image, they should think about changing their name, "The Race".

 

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Wow, I see that Ann Coulter is on the Editorial Staff at humanevents.com.... How interesting!!!

They also state that they give voice to the great conservative thinkers ... Read More 

Wow, I see that Ann Coulter is on the Editorial Staff at humanevents.com.... How interesting!!!

They also state that they give voice to the great conservative thinkers (according to them) of our era -- Newt Gingrich, Michelle Malkin, L. Brent Bozell, Terence Jeffrey, Bruce Bartlett, Thomas Sowell, David Limbaugh, Oliver North, Pat Buchanan and many more...

Now their "rhetoric", I mean views, whouldn't be slightly slanted at all now would they be...

 

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The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) receives funding from philanthropic organizations, such as the Ford Foundation, and corporations such as Citigroup and Wal-Mart.

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The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) receives funding from philanthropic organizations, such as the Ford Foundation, and corporations such as Citigroup and Wal-Mart.

NCLR serves its constituency by means of its Affiliates, nearly 300 community-based organizations. The NCLR is headquartered in Washington, D.C. and maintains eight regional offices in Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix, Sacramento, San Antonio, and San Juan, Puerto Rico. The current president is Janet Murguía.

NCLR is often criticized by commentators for allegedly espousing separatist or irredentist sentiments. Anti-illegal immigration websites, such as American Patrol and The American Resistance (already covered them in a previous post), accuse NCLR of encouraging illegal immigration to the United States, and the latter hosts an exhaustive list of companies and organizations that donate to the NCLR.

However, the organization states on its website that it “has repeatedly recognized the right of the United States, as a sovereign nation, to control its borders. Moreover, NCLR has supported numerous specific measures to strengthen border enforcement.” It also backs up this statement with evidence.

Some critics, including conservative talk radio host George Putnam, consider NCLR exclusionary in its approach to civil rights. The most powerful person to criticize NCLR was Republican congressman Charlie Norwood of Georgia's ninth district. In a December 2005 edition of the conservative publication Human Events (reference previous blog entry), Representative Norwood criticized congressional earmarking of four million dollars for NCLR housing initiatives. He said that "we ought not to send taxpayer's money to people who absolutely advocate perhaps using that money for the country not to follow the law of the land and not to secure our country's borders."

NCLR wrote a letter to Rep. Norwood explaining that funding is given to a subsidiary of the organization called the Raza Development Fund which provides funding for affordable housing, health care centers and educational facilities. NCLR also offered to meet with Rep. Norwood to further discuss any doubts he had about the organization or its work.

On September 20, 2006, Representative Norwood issued a press release calling NCLR a "radical [...] pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland" and accusing the organization of undermining "the ability of state and local police to fight criminal illegal aliens."

The NCLR immediately issued a press release to refute Norwood's claims and to demand an apology. He offered to extend an apology on seven conditions:

1. Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they are now or have ever been associated or funded which held to the racist doctrines published by MEChA.

2. Denounce the statement "Por La Raza todo [sic]. Fuera de La Raza nada" [“For the race everything, outside the race nothing”] as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship.

3. Repudiate all claims that any current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico.

4. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the United States, and that no section or region of this country should be segregated by race or ethnic heritage.

5. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community.

6. Seek neutral, third party supervision to ensure that all community and individual assistance programs offered by La Raza and groups supported by La Raza are accessible to all Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, and that participation in those programs is fully compliant with Equal Opportunity laws.

7. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the United States, the right of the citizens of the United States to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the United States to undertake any and all necessary steps including military action to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its borders against unauthorized entry.

NCLR responded to Norwood's conditions apology in a point-by-point press release defending its policies, which it claims have never been racially or ethnically exclusionary, never supported and does not endorse the notion of a “Reconquista” or “Aztlán,” has never used, and unequivocally rejects, the motto “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada", has supported numerous measures to ensure that all Americans have the freedom to choose where to live, and stated that its programs are already covered by civil rights laws administered by independent agencies at the federal, state, and local level. It also disputes the charge that it supports illegal immigration, constantly reiterating its support for effective and reasonable border security and immigration-law enforcement.

In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet Murguía stated: "First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement...[because] as Americans, we recognize it's the right thing to do...

 

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Former President George W. Bush has called them "vigilantes" and Mexico's government dubbed the group "migrant hunters."

11 state Senators urged ... Read More 

Former President George W. Bush has called them "vigilantes" and Mexico's government dubbed the group "migrant hunters."

11 state Senators urged Gov. Rick Perry to oppose the Minuteman patrols, saying they could "negatively affect tourism and trade along the border" and make law enforcement "more dangerous and difficult."

In the sweltering border city of Brownsville, a court this month passed a resolution opposing the presence of "Minutemen or other vigilante groups" along a stretch of the Rio Grande in Cameron County.

 

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As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. ... Read More 

From Human Events.com:
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As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."

Members of these radical, anti-American, racist organizations are frequently smoothly polished into public respectability by the National Council of La Raza.

Former MEChA members include Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was officially endorsed by La Raza for mayor and was awarded La Raza's Graciela Olivarez Award. Now we know why he refuses to condemn a sea of foreign flags in his city. California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante is also a former MEChA member. He delivered the keynote address at La Raza's 2002 Annual Convention. [unquote] http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

 

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More on Lawless and the connections... This one I found to be very interesting...

Lawless, an original member of Chris Simcox's vigilante militia before it became the ... Read More 

More on Lawless and the connections... This one I found to be very interesting...

Lawless, an original member of Chris Simcox's vigilante militia before it became the Minuteman Project in early 2005, detailed 11 suggestions for ways to harass and terrorize undocumented immigrants, including robbery and ''beating up illegals'' as they leave their work place, the report states. Martin, following Lawless' suggestions, posted her e-mail to a number of neo-Nazi bulletin boards.

Lawless suggested stealing money from any undocumented worker walking into a bank or check-cashing location. "Make every illegal alien feel the heat of being a person without status ... I hear the rednecks in the South are beating up illegals as the textile mills have closed. Use your imagination,'' Lawless wrote.

Lawless also said, ''Discourage Spanish-speaking children from going to school. Be creative.'' She also encouraged threatening migrants with being shot. ''Create an anonymous propaganda campaign warning that any further illegal immigrants will be shot, maimed or seriously messed-up upon crossing the border. This should be fairly easy to do, considering the hysteria of the Spanish language press, and how they view the Minutemen as 'racists and vigilantes.''

In the e-mail, Lawless urged, ''Sabotage the things they like: entertainment, food, beer ... BRAVO to the person who cut down the Spanish-language radio station towers just north of Phoenix! Now that sends a message!''

The Intelligence Report contacted Lawless for comment, sending her copies of her own e-mails that included their original headers, as she requested. But after receiving the copies, Lawless refused to talk. Lawless has been heavily involved in anti-immigration extremism in the United States since 2004.

On April 9, six days after Lawless e-mailed her suggestions to Mark Martin, Border Guardians burned a Mexican flag in front of the Mexican Consulate in Tucson, where Lawless' group is based.

Minutemen, neo-Nazi overlap?
The following day, Lawless accompanied Border Guardians Russ Dove and Roy Warden to Armory Park during the ''national day of action for immigration justice'' March in Tucson, where the two men burned Mexican flags. Indian Country Today and other media photographed Lawless with the Border Guardians who burned the flags.

The Intelligence Report said the recent e-mail contact is not the first evidence to emerge of the overlapping of Minuteman and neo-Nazi membership. A few members of the National Alliance and Aryan Nations signed up with the original Minuteman Project in April 2005, and at least two frequent contributors to the white supremacist Web site stormfront.org volunteered for Minuteman co-founder Jim Gilchrist's (not him again) failed congressional campaign.

Like Lawless, Martin would not comment for this story. But he did offer this tagline when he forwarded Lawless' suggested tactics to other neo-Nazis: ''The information contained in this email is racially and religiously privileged and confidential. It is intended for specific Aryan recipients only.''

Jose Matus, Yaqui ceremonial leader and director of the human rights group Indigenous Alliance Without Borders, based in Tucson, pointed out that indigenous people who live along the border - from California to Texas - and others migrating for work from Central and South America are victims of the growing racism by members of the Minutemen and Border Guardians.

Matus compared the Border Guardians to the Ku Klux Klan. ''Border Guardians are like the Ku Klux Klan, only not as ambitious,'' Matus told ICT.

The Intelligence Report also showed a rise in hate crimes, including hate crimes by skinheads toward Latinos in Phoenix. The report includes a national map of organized chapters of hate groups.

In southern Arizona, where Border Guardians have promised to burn Mexican flags whenever pro-migrant groups gather, the map identifies such groups as the Ku Klux Klan in Mesa and neo-Nazi groups in several towns. The map also identifies the American Border Patrol in Sierra Vista.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen issued a public statement that they do not support the Border Guardians' burning of the Mexican flag or violence. The Minutemen are now planning to protest President Bush.

Upset that Bush called the Minutemen ''vigilantes,'' the Minutemen plan to protest at Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, during a caravan to Washington.

Go ghit em fellers (Whiskers, 4th Generation Texan, Rock'n chair Rambler, Warthog, What the....?, 2010 Begins the End), ghit on yer horses, yer four wheelers, grab some beer, load yer guns and go ghit em!

I'm still not laughing...!

 

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"allowing the "proper authorities" to handle things wouldn't help ..."

If the "proper authorities" would actually handle things, which ... Read More 

"allowing the "proper authorities" to handle things wouldn't help ..."

If the "proper authorities" would actually handle things, which is by the way, their sworn duty to do and one of the few powers granted by the constitution to the federal government, (not health care), you wouldn't be having this problem in the first place.

No invasion = no backlash = no problem.

 

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Notice how the folks who don't seem to care that the country is being invaded by ILLEGAL immigrants, consistently fail to call them ILLEGAL? It's always, "anti-immigrant". ... Read More 

Notice how the folks who don't seem to care that the country is being invaded by ILLEGAL immigrants, consistently fail to call them ILLEGAL? It's always, "anti-immigrant". Almost never do they even mention the word "illegal".

And notice how the same proponents for open borders and supporters of illegal immigration are often tied to racist hate groups like La Raza?

 

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I guess the vigilantes putting up their guns, placing a cease fire on the hatred, racism & bigotry and allowing the "proper authorities" to handle things ... Read More 

I guess the vigilantes putting up their guns, placing a cease fire on the hatred, racism & bigotry and allowing the "proper authorities" to handle things wouldn't help now would it...

Wanna test it? please do!

 

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Mike Vickers, leader of the Texas Border Volunteers, a civilian border patrol group, says that his organization has 300 members, patrols 2 million acres. ... Read More 

Mike Vickers, leader of the Texas Border Volunteers, a civilian border patrol group, says that his organization has 300 members, patrols 2 million acres.

That's 6,667 acres covered per volunteer... Wow, they're good but I think they need some help... or do they?

Lawless, the former high priestess of Sisterhood of the Moon, a lesbian pagan organization, has been heavily involved in anti-immigration extremism since 2004, when she joined Simcox's Civil Homeland Defense outfit, as it was then called.

That same year, she invited militia members to her private ranch in Cochise County, Ariz. "I coordinate with Chris [Simcox], so anyone who wants to come is welcome," she wrote in a post to an online user group, "Border War" which was reposted on sites such as "A Well Regulated Militia."

Lawless was featured in numerous media reports on the first Minuteman Project campaign (Mike Vickers & Jim Gilchrist) in April 2005, and has patrolled side-by-side with Minuteman vice-president Carmen Mercer.

Lawless also traveled to Texas to join the Texas Minutemen in October (Go Figure...), when she was quoted in The Austin Chronicle saying she gets an "intellectual and political orgasm" from spying on pro-immigration groups. In that interview, she accused one pro-immigration activist of inserting chants of "White Power!" into an audiotape of Minuteman rallies to discredit the movement.

This March 29 and 30, Lawless was quoted on CNN attacking a humanitarian group that leaves food and water for people crossing the Sonora Desert to illegally enter the United States.

In April, just six days after Lawless e-mailed her suggestions to neo-Nazi Mark Martin, Border Guardians made national news when Lawless and other members burned a Mexican flag in front of the Mexican Consulate in Tucson, where Lawless’ group is based. Before the flag was set aflame, Lawless held a press conference.

"As always, Border Guardians remains committed to only lawful actions to combat illegal immigration," she said. "We are committed to practice only peaceful, lawful action in defense of our country."

Of Course...

Her e-mail the prior week to the National Socialist Movement, however, clearly revealed a darker agenda. "There are several tactics, some legal and some not-so," she wrote. "Sabotage the things they like: entertainment, food, beer... . BRAVO to the person who cut down the Spanish language radio station towers just North of Phoenix! Now that sends a message!"

That April 3 E-mail was not the only contact between Lawless and the NSM. In that e-mail, she writes of leaving a voicemail message on the NSM’s hotline. And, in an earlier e-mail to NSM commander Martin dated March 6, she congratulated the NSM on provoking a riot in Toledo, Ohio, in October 2005. "I still think those riots were wonderful!" Lawless wrote.

The contact between Lawless and the NSM is not the first evidence to emerge of overlapping Minuteman and neo-Nazi membership. A few members of the National Alliance and Aryan Nations signed up with the original Minuteman Project in April 2005 (oh really...), and at least two frequent contributors to the white supremacist website Stormfront volunteered for Minuteman co-founder Jim Gilchrist’s failed Congressional campaign.

What's that you say...???

Like Lawless, Martin would not comment for this story. But he did offer this tagline when he forwarded Lawless’ suggested tactics to other neo-Nazis: "The information contained in this email is Racially and Religiously privileged and confidential. It is intended for specific Aryan recipients only."

Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen for one year, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership.

Though he said that the Texas Border Volunteers are a different organization from the Minutemen, Vickers organization operates in a similar fashion to the Minutemen. Both groups stakeout the border in order to report, and if necessary, apprehend, any illegal immigrants they observe in desolate border areas. Also, members of both groups are armed; Vickers said his members carry handguns and M4 rifles, which are the civilian version of the military’s M16 rifle.

Go ghit em fellers (Whiskers, 4th Generation Texan, Rock'n chair Rambler, Warthog, What the....?, 2010 Begins the End), ghit on yer horses, yer four wheelers, grab some beer, load yer guns and go ghit em!

I'm not laughing anymore...!

 

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"the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration."???

Actually, the backlash is being fueled by the illegal immigration itself. To ... Read More 

"the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration."???

Actually, the backlash is being fueled by the illegal immigration itself. To prove that theory, just remove that one element and, VIOLA', the backlash would stop.

Wanna test it? Please do.

 

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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/jurisdiction.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the most important organization ... Read More 

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/jurisdiction.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration. Founded by Tanton in 1979, FAIR has long been marked by anti-Latino and anti-Catholic attitudes. It has mixed this bigotry with a fondness for eugenics, the idea of breeding better humans discredited by its Nazi associations. It has accepted $1.2 million from an infamous, racist eugenics foundation. It has employed officials in key positions who are also members of white supremacist groups. Recently, it has promoted racist conspiracy theories about Mexico's secret designs on the American Southwest and an alternative theory alleging secret plans to merge the United States, Mexico and Canada. Just last February, a senior FAIR official sought "advice" from the leaders of a racist Belgian political party.

 

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Must I do all the work - go look it up it's all there!

 

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"In what appears to be a chain of hate-related violence,"???

A "chain"? Where's the chain? Perhaps you left out the details of all the other violence, ... Read More 

"In what appears to be a chain of hate-related violence,"???

A "chain"? Where's the chain? Perhaps you left out the details of all the other violence, eh? You cited one incident, one criminal and a bunch of "distancing" by groups and politicians. OK, that's what they do.

That's what Obama did, or tried to do, with his connections to hate speech spewing Rev. Wright and admitted terrorist Bill Ayers, but guess who's coming to dinner? Yep, Bill Ayers is still being invited to the White House. Probably one of his top advisers, like self avowed communist Van Jones. His AG, Eric Holder and the justice department is refusing to prosecute known hate group members for "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"-- one of which is a member of the “Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic Committee and a credentialed poll watcher for the Democratic Party last Election Day.”

 

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A report tying the immigration debate's vitriolic rhetoric to the growing number of hate crimes against Latinos and "perceived immigrants." ... Read More 

A report tying the immigration debate's vitriolic rhetoric to the growing number of hate crimes against Latinos and "perceived immigrants."

The report warned of a connection between hate crime incidents, extremist anti-immigrant groups and hateful anti-immigrant rhetoric's "infiltration of the mainstream media." Concerns arose late last year when FBI statistics showed another sharp increase in hate crimes targeting Latinos for the fourth year in a row.

Shortly thereafter, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released a controversial report warning that the frustration of right-wing extremist groups "over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration" might incite violence.

Go Figure...

Right-wing pundits and politicians quickly attacked the report, calling it "laughable" and "funny." Less than a month later, no one is laughing about DHS's warnings.

In what appears to be a chain of hate-related violence, Shawna Forde, a Minuteman leader and head of the Minuteman American Defense (MAD) group, and two of her associates were charged with murdering a nine-year-old Hispanic girl and her father.

Go Figure...

The trio allegedly broke into a home dressed as law enforcement officers looking for money and drugs to finance the Minutemen group. The same week that the report issued its warnings, information arose tying Forde to prominent Republican leaders (Tom Tancredo (Congress), Duncan Hunter (Congress), and Fred Thompson (Senate)) and mainstream anti-immigration organizations.

Still more info...

Shawna Forde, the anti-immigrant leader of the Minuteman American Defense (M.A.D.) who was recently charged with the murder of a 9-year-old Hispanic girl and her father, co-hosted the 2007 Washington State Illegal Immigration Summit that reportedly featured presidential candidates Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter, and Fred Thompson.

The Reagan Wing, a conservative blog dedicated to picking up Ronald Reagan’s “sword” still features a plug for the summit which it describes as “the pinnacle Conservative event of 2007“:

In addition the event is co-hosted by Minutemen American Defense, a Washington state-wide American citizen defense coalition headed by Shawna Forde, a re-born Rock promoter from the days of the music world-shaking Seattle Rock explosion. Shawna will speak.

Representatives (or the actual candidates) will appear from Presidential campaigns for TOM TANCREDO, DUNCAN HUNTER and FRED THOMPSON.

Minuteman leader Jim Gilchrist, who has tried to distance himself from Forde in recent days, also headlined the 2007 event.

Up until this time he supported her... perhaps some damage control - you be the judge...

The summit, which featured the slogan “The Great Gringo awakens from siesta,” was reportedly attended by “white supremacists, militia types, neo-Nazis, and skinheads.”

Go Figure... Really?

Right wing anti-immigration groups are frantically trying to distance themselves from Forde. The anti-immigrant group, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), issued a press release this afternoon denying any association with Forde after a video popped up of Shawna Forde speaking as a FAIR activist.

Go Figure... Really?

The blog Long Island Wins reports that web pages from Gilchrist’s website where he supposedly defends Forde are nothing but broken links in a google cache.

Go Figure... Really?

VDARE, “the homepage of educated racism” has reportedly also “scrubbed” all of its web pages that once supported Forde. So far, CNN’s Rick Sanchez has been one of the few mainstream journalists to question Forde’s connection to the larger movement against immigration.

Go Figure... Really?

SANCHEZ: The nation’s largest minuteman group has distanced itself from Forde we should say. And we’ve learned that within Minuteman circles she is considered a bit of a loose canon. But you do have to wonder: how did Shawna Forde–a supposed fringe element–turn up on PBS as a player in the anti-immigration movement?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...

Immigration advocates are outraged at the mainstream media’s lack of coverage and are asking their supporters to share the story of the 9-year-old victim’s death. Today, Crooks and Liars posted an emotional recording of the 911 call placed by her mother on the day of the attack.

Connections & Supporters, Connections & Supporters, Connections & Supporters... All these groups have one thing in common hatred, nothing more, nothing less!!!

Go ghit em fellers (Whiskers, 4th Generation Texan, Rock'n chair Rambler, Warthog, What the....?, 2010 Begins the End), ghit on yer horses, yer four wheelers, grab some beer, load yer guns and go ghit em - ha ha ha ha ha, LMAO!!!

What about the Canadiens??? Hmmmm, wunder wize not, how cum??? I'm guessin must be cuz they be white folk!

If nothing else you certainly do continue to entertain!

 

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I rest my case, some stay ignorant until the very end... Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Randy Weaver, Kevin Harris, David Koresh... So much hatred, so sad!!! ... Read More 

I rest my case, some stay ignorant until the very end... Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Randy Weaver, Kevin Harris, David Koresh... So much hatred, so sad!!!

Mike Vickers, Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, Al Garza, Shannon McGauley the list goes on and on and on.... they do however have something in common...

All men have been associated with groups like The Minuteman (TBV soon to follow no doubt), The KKK, The American Cause, The American Enterprise Institute, The American Immigration, The Control Foundation, The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, The Castle Rock Foundation, The Center for American Unity, The Center for the Study of Popular Culture, The Federation for American Immigration Reform, The Free Congress Foundation, The Ludwig von Mises Institute, The New Century Foundation, The John M. Olin Foundation, The Pioneer Fund, and The Rockford Institute Just to name a few....

Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen for one year, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership.

Though he said that the Texas Border Volunteers are a different organization from the Minutemen, Vickers organization operates in a similar fashion to the Minutemen.

His own words - they speak volumns!!!

And more proof that there are no ties between Vickers and the Minuteman Organization... LMAO!!!

Dr. Michael Vickers named Texas State Director

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

DR. MICHAEL VICKERS NAMED TEXAS STATE DIRECTOR OF MINUTEMAN CIVIL DEFENSE CORPS

(PHOENIX, AZ) – Al Garza, National Executive Director of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (“MCDC”), today announced the appointment of Dr. Michael Vickers as Texas State Director for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

Dr. Vickers, a veterinarian and ranch owner in Falfurrias, Texas, has seen firsthand the consequences of our unsecured borders. As Texas State Director, Dr. Vickers will be responsible for recruiting fellow Texans, enforcing the MCDC standard operating procedures and overseeing the operations of local Texas MCDC chapters. Dr. Vickers’ ranch served as the headquarters for the Texas part of MCDC’s month-long ‘Secure Our Borders’ operation.

Clad in camouflage fatigues (see photo in article above) with home-made "badges", using high-tech equipment and operating out of secret "headquarters”, anti-immigrant vigilante groups in Texas are taking the law into their own hands. Heavily armed, these groups are rounding up undocumented border crossers at gunpoint, and turning them in to the federal authorities. In some cases, immigrants have been injured and brutally killed.

While some of these groups refer to private property rights as cause for their paramilitary tactics ,”Hate or Heroism” shows that in all cases, the groups thinly veil their racism and in some cases are connected to national agendas that attack all people of color. The American Border Patrol's Glenn Spencer, for example, can be traced to the Council of Conservative Citizens and to neo-Nazi organizations such as the National Alliance.

Are they also doing the same to the Canadiens??? Hmmmm, wunder wiz not, how cum??? I'm guessin must be cuz they be white folk!

Go Ghit Em Fellers, Go Ghit Em, Ghit on yher horsies, Ghit on yher 4 wheelers, Grab ya sum guns, ghit some beer, and go ghit em...!!!

 

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Yeah, and I guess by "ties to known hate groups" that would also include known terrorists, right? Sooo, how about those "ties" of Obama to a known ... Read More 

Yeah, and I guess by "ties to known hate groups" that would also include known terrorists, right? Sooo, how about those "ties" of Obama to a known terrorist, Bill Ayers?.... hmmm?

 

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"Keep hatred alive and stay ignorant!"

Apparently, some folks don't like the "facts" about the real DemocRat party. bwahahahaha

 

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Keep hatred alive and stay ignorant! Go ghit em fellers!

 

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Hmmm…… ties to known hate groups. Oh, you mean like the Democratic party having ties to the SPLC listed hate group Black Panthers ?

[quote] President Obama's Justice ... Read More 

Hmmm…… ties to known hate groups. Oh, you mean like the Democratic party having ties to the SPLC listed hate group Black Panthers ?

[quote] President Obama's Justice Department continues to stonewall inquiries about why it dropped a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party.
The episode--which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"--

“one of the defendants who walked was Jerry Jackson, a member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic Committee and a credentialed poll watcher for the Democratic Party last Election Day.” [unquote]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020
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“Moreover, many of these groups have documented ties to known hate groups.”
Hmmm... ties to known hate groups. Would that be the same, exactly, as having been the Kleagle ... Read More 

“Moreover, many of these groups have documented ties to known hate groups.”
Hmmm... ties to known hate groups. Would that be the same, exactly, as having been the Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of the Klan...like the esteemed Democrat Senator from W.Virginia, Robert Byrd?

 

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I believe the comment was made that the "facts" had been provided, "many times", but..... where are they?

 

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I wonder what most prison inmates would say if they were asked if they were guilty or innocent??? Hmmm, you certainly do make a great point - NOT!

Like he's going to ... Read More 

I wonder what most prison inmates would say if they were asked if they were guilty or innocent??? Hmmm, you certainly do make a great point - NOT!

Like he's going to admit it in an interview... I suppose you believe that OJ was innocent as well!!!

 

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OK, I read the "facts", but still no facts were presented that Vickers or the Minutemen are in any way "anti-immigrant". They are certainly anti-illegal ... Read More 

OK, I read the "facts", but still no facts were presented that Vickers or the Minutemen are in any way "anti-immigrant". They are certainly anti-illegal immigrant. Yep, and so am I. Anybody have a problem with that?

Plus, there were no facts of vigilante activity. Right here from your link:
[quote]
"Vickers, 57, stressed that the Texas Border Volunteers patrol only private property, including remote ranchlands used by smugglers and immigrants to
skirt immigration checkpoints.

"We're not enforcers of the law; we just report criminal activity," he said, adding that the volunteers will work closely with the U.S. Border Patrol and local and state law enforcement agencies. [unquote]

 

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I choose to use the common english meaning of the word...
Facts you ask, read, I've presented plenty of them!

 

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"anti-immigrant organization"???

Where are your “facts” to back that up?

Vigilantes? If the local and federal agencies responsible for enforcement cannot ... Read More 

"anti-immigrant organization"???

Where are your “facts” to back that up?

Vigilantes? If the local and federal agencies responsible for enforcement cannot or will not perform their duties, to whom will you look to defend your borders from armed drug smugglers, human traffickers, low life criminals and terrorists?

Call them what you will, but choose your words carefully at least. The term vigilante is derived from the latin “vigilant“, to watch or guard. The common pejorative usage meaning “to suppress and punish crime summarily ” is just as twisted as those who employ the term to denigrate those who would defend themselves and their land.

 

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I guess I'm just interested in ALL the facts not just the ones that support a right winged extremist agenda! The vigilantes described in this article are nothing more than ... Read More 

I guess I'm just interested in ALL the facts not just the ones that support a right winged extremist agenda! The vigilantes described in this article are nothing more than that... they take the law into their own hands, VIGILANTE STYLE... nothing more, nothing less, the likes of them are well documented just as you and your comments... :-)

Believe me, they (the right winged extremist wingnut vigilantes) have no problems smearing their own reputations based upon their own actions that they themselves commit, which are also very well documented all over the place and you five (Whiskers, 4th Generation Texan, Rock'n chair Rambler, Warthog, What the....?) want to join them. Go ghit em fellers, ghit on yer horses, yer four wheeles, grab some beer, load yer guns and go ghit em - ha ha ha ha ha, LMAO!!! If nothing else you certainly do entertain me!

 

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'what the', some folks (MT) never let a good fact get in the way of a good story.

 

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"anti-immigrant organization"???

Anti-immigrant? What part of "illegal" do these race baiters not understand?

People who apply through the ... Read More 

"anti-immigrant organization"???

Anti-immigrant? What part of "illegal" do these race baiters not understand?

People who apply through the proper government channels for a visa and then apply for citizenship may be called "immigrants". People who sneak into the country "illegally", are not immigrants. They are law breakers at best.

People who take up the very dangerous task of helping to patrol the borders to report such law breakers deserve our respect, not our condemnation. But, unpatriotic, anti-American groups like SPLC and ACLU, try to set them up for law suits to take everything they own, and smear their reputations.

For doing what, for attempting to help protect our national borders and in many cases, their own property?... For being patriotic?... For organizing the effort?... For exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?... All of which is still perfectly LEGAL, Constitutional and honorable activity.

 

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Really... I believe it's you "Whiskers" that need to get YOUR facts straight!!!

Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he ... Read More 

Really... I believe it's you "Whiskers" that need to get YOUR facts straight!!!

Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen for one year, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership.

http://www.newspapertree.com/politics/1264-state-hears-el-paso-officials-on-immigration-debate

In South Texas, Michael Vickers, the head of a former Minuteman group, said his organization split from the national groups because Minuteman leaders did not adapt to the needs of volunteers who patrol on private land in Texas. Financial concerns also played a role, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201297.h
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Dr. Michael Vickers, cattle rancher, leading Republican Party committeeman in south Texas, and the veterinarian who first identified the strain of anthrax later implicated in the killing of five people in 2001, has joined the Minutemen. Vickers says he joined the Minutemen because federal and state officials have failed to seriously address illegal immigration.

Unlike others who testified, Falfurrias veterinarian Mike Vickers urged the state to act in any way it can to curb illegal immigration.He has found bodies on his ranches in Hidalgo, Brooks and Jim Hogg counties, and pays about $50,000 a year to repair fences and water tanks damaged by illegal immigrants crossing his land, he said.

A former member of the Minuteman Project, Vickers still participates in citizen patrols in South Texas. He showed the committee pictures of bodies he and others have found on their ranches.

"We are the impact zone.This is ground zero, as far as we're concerned," Vickers said.

http://www.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20061002/047828.html

http://detodos-paratodos.blogspot.com/2006/10/mexico-week-in-review-1002-1008.html

There's more would you like me to continue?

 

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You know, Mediation...Vickers was never in the Minuteman Project let alone.
If you can't get that fact straight,no telling what else you have MADE UP! ... Read More 

You know, Mediation...Vickers was never in the Minuteman Project let alone.
If you can't get that fact straight,no telling what else you have MADE UP!

You're right about one thing(and maybe the only thing we agree on)Gilchrist is a friutcake.

Texans are standing up for themselves and bringing light and solutions to this illegal alien invasion.

 

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The Texas Border Patrollers are patriots, not vigilantes...I didn't see any indication that they were trying to detain, arrest, inflict punishment themselves. I believe ... Read More 

The Texas Border Patrollers are patriots, not vigilantes...I didn't see any indication that they were trying to detain, arrest, inflict punishment themselves. I believe it indicates they are merely 'watching' and 'reporting' illegal entries into the USA to the property authorities...there are other programs that do the same thing (ever heard of Crime Stoppers or how about 911?)

Sign me up too (as long as I can patrol in my Range Rover and not on horse back)...I think judging a person by his enemies and his friends is probably a pretty good barometer.

Obama dislikes Fox News, liberals scoff at Tea Partiers, Obama dislikes the Military, Obama dislikes Whites, Obama likes Unions, Obama likes socialist/communists/marxists, etc....see what I mean?

You get a real clear view of the likes/dislikes of a person by their enemies and their friends. And, in the case of our current President, it's more important than ever to take a gander at his friends/enemies cause ya aint gonna get any real information from the bloke himself or at least not anything you can really count on.

 

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Yup. Sign me up. Like I also said, I judge a person by his enemies.

 

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And that's who you're supporting, your words Rock'n chair Rambler were and I quote "sign me up. I'd love to take a trail ride down the border a ways. Anybody got ... Read More 

And that's who you're supporting, your words Rock'n chair Rambler were and I quote "sign me up. I'd love to take a trail ride down the border a ways. Anybody got a good horse I can borrow? I'm serious now, ya'll. Let's organize a trail ride right down down the border"

 

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After their successful lawsuits brought against a couple of high profile white separatist groups, the SPLC has widened it’s net of litigation targets and assumed the role ... Read More 

After their successful lawsuits brought against a couple of high profile white separatist groups, the SPLC has widened it’s net of litigation targets and assumed the role of the legal beagles against political incorrect speech in America. They are going after anyone or group who violates any of the tenants of Liberal thought. Hate Thought legislation is on the march and the SPLC has taken up the cause as the Crusaders of the Left, armed with law suits as their swords and hate crime laws as their Quran. Here are some of their categories of “hate” groups:
Anti-Abortion
Anti-Immigrant
Black Separatist
Christian Identity
Common Law/Sovereign
Eco-Radicalism
Ku Klux Klan
Neo Confederate
Neo-Nazi
Patriot/Militia
Racist Skinhead
Tax Protest
Anti-Gay

 

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Funny you should mention all these groups are associated with the "right"... I was going to point that out but now I don't have to... Thanks - Much Appreciated!!

With ... Read More 

Funny you should mention all these groups are associated with the "right"... I was going to point that out but now I don't have to... Thanks - Much Appreciated!!

With groups like The Minuteman (TBV soon to follow no doubt), The KKK, The American Cause, The American Enterprise Institute, The American Immigration, The Control Foundation, The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, The Castle Rock Foundation, The Center for American Unity, The Center for the Study of Popular Culture, The Federation for American Immigration Reform, The Free Congress Foundation, The Ludwig von Mises Institute, The New Century Foundation, The John M. Olin Foundation, The Pioneer Fund, and The Rockford Institute Just to name a few.... Can you blame them, someone has to expose these people/groups for what they really are!

 

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The Southern Poverty Law Center is a group of litigation happy race baiters and fear mongers who never found a right-wing group they didn’t hate.

 

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Bravo Texas Border Volunteers! This is another example of concerned citizens getting involved. Many times, simple actions by concerned citizens without all the beaurocracy, ... Read More 

Bravo Texas Border Volunteers! This is another example of concerned citizens getting involved. Many times, simple actions by concerned citizens without all the beaurocracy, red tape, forms, documents, regulations are superior....just another example of an inefficient government not even able to document and keep up with illegal aliens coming into the country.

Bravo!

 

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I completely understand (100%) that this is an issue for the PROPER AUTHORITIES to take care of!!! TBV is nothing more than another vigilante group. The leader (Dr. Mike ... Read More 

I completely understand (100%) that this is an issue for the PROPER AUTHORITIES to take care of!!! TBV is nothing more than another vigilante group. The leader (Dr. Mike Vickers) of this vigilante group was also a former member of another vigilante group called the Minuteman Project who has a very "colorful" history and apparently they're back in the limelight now as well... Funny how they all start getting headlines at the same time -- Go ahead, do the research...!

According to one source...

"Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, was caught on video last week slamming “Ron Paul fanatics” in the anti-immigration (sound familiar?) movement along with tea-bagger wannabe William Gheen who organized poorly attended “copycat” anti-immigration tea party protests: he goes on to say...

"I used to support Ron Paul, until I had this falling out with these Ron Paul fanatics. They’re not all that way, just too many. The ones that I’ve met, who are very hateful people, have no business supporting Ron Paul. Jeff Schwilk and William Gheen have no business being in political activism because, in my blatant personal opinion, they are outright racists."

Hmmm - perhaps a case of the pot calling the kettle black...

Gilchrist has long attempted to distinguish his “multi-ethnic” border vigilante group from more overtly racist organizations such as Gheen’s Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC). However, their public feud is more the product of personal infighting than ideological differences.

To begin with, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists both the Minuteman Project and ALIPAC as “nativist extremist” organizations. SPLC has extensively documented the Minuteman Project’s ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a “white supremacist hate group” which even co-hosted a “strategy session” with one of the Minuteman Project’s chapters. The Anti-Defamation League points out that the Minuteman Project is “highly publicized among right-wing extremists ranging from militia groups to white supremacist organizations,” including neo-Nazi National Alliance members. Harvard University recently canceled Gilchrist’s invitation to speak at the campus, explaining that his views were “not compatible with providing an environment for civil, educational, and productive discourse on immigration.”

Earlier in the interview, Gilchrist offers a more convincing explanation for the mutual contempt held amongst nativist groups: “personality disorders” (the reason Dr. Vickers states he left the Minutemen Project) or “just hate for the competition.” Gilchrist claims Gheen’s hatred for him started when he refused to hand over his email lists and that his group was later attacked by Gheen for endorsing Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR - Whom 4GT supports as well) for President over Ron Paul. Both candidates pandered to the right-wing anti-immigrant fringe during their 2008 presidential campaigns."

How's the saying go, the apple never falls far from the tree... Just a matter of time until an "accident" occurs in ragards to TBV.

Go Git em Whiskers, What the....?, Rock'n chair Rambler, 4GT, and Warthog go git em - I'm certain TBV will accept you with open arms!!! Funny how the company you keep helps explain who & what people are...

 

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How predictable people such as Meditation are. That is my conclusion.
He uses LMAO so much...that may be the reason he needs to get his head out of it! ... Read More 

How predictable people such as Meditation are. That is my conclusion.
He uses LMAO so much...that may be the reason he needs to get his head out of it!

Meditation, Rep. Joaquin Castro,open border advocates and amnesty supporters are ill informed and narrow minded.
The Texas Border Volunteers are not an anti-immigrant organization. They address ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

The people sneaking across the border are not immigrants. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS.

What part of that don't you understand?

 

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LMAO...!!!

 

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No Meds, for the last time, you can't come with us. You can't ride, you can't shoot and you'd probably bring your boy friend.

 

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Draw your own conclusions...

 

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Mike Vickers, a Falfurrias veterinarian and rancher who heads a citizen patrol group, Texas Border Volunteers, testified about criminal gangs and smugglers who he said are ... Read More 

Mike Vickers, a Falfurrias veterinarian and rancher who heads a citizen patrol group, Texas Border Volunteers, testified about criminal gangs and smugglers who he said are flooding across South Texas ranches. Border Patrol officials aren't equipped to stop them, Vickers said.

"I get upset when anybody tells me this is a federal problem," Vickers said. "It's my problem.

Committee member Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, asked Vickers if he was ever a member of the Minutemen militia, an anti-immigrant organization also patrolling the border. Vickers responded that he was a member of the Minutemen for one year, but he broke ties with the group over differences of opinion he had with its national leadership.

Though he said that the Texas Border Volunteers are a different organization from the Minutemen, Vickers organization operates in a similar fashion to the Minutemen. Both groups stakeout the border in order to report, and if necessary, apprehend, any illegal immigrants they observe in desolate border areas. Also, members of both groups are armed; Vickers said his members carry handguns and M4 rifles, which are the civilian version of the military’s M16 rifle.

 

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I didn't realize that this paper also sponsored such violent activities. Activities such as those being discussed by "Whiskers", "Rock'n chair Rambler", ... Read More 

I didn't realize that this paper also sponsored such violent activities. Activities such as those being discussed by "Whiskers", "Rock'n chair Rambler", "4th Generation Texan" and "Warthog"...

I certainly hope they're responsible enough to report these 4 terrorists to the proper authorities before it's too late...

 

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LMAO!!!

 

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Whiskers nailed it. It is time to get involved. The violence and crime will only continue to spread north as local law enforcement and Border Patrol are outgunned and outmanned.

 

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OK Tex, you can bring up the rear with your 4 wheeler and supply the riders with beer. It ain't a trail ride without the beer.

I agree, though, things could get "western" ... Read More 

OK Tex, you can bring up the rear with your 4 wheeler and supply the riders with beer. It ain't a trail ride without the beer.

I agree, though, things could get "western" down there. Good thing we still have the 2nd Amendment..... eh, we do still have that right don't we? I know the Texas legislature is trying their damndest to make it all but impossible, if not down right impractical to carry concealed, but last I checked the 2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed....yet.

 

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"Rock n Chair", is it possible to have a trail ride without horses? I am currently boycotting horses in retribution for being bucked off a while back. And, ... Read More 

"Rock n Chair", is it possible to have a trail ride without horses? I am currently boycotting horses in retribution for being bucked off a while back. And, so far the horses have not folded, so a trail ride sounds good but will have to arrange alternative travel modes.

 

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Sounds like a very worthy endeavor. Citizens certainly have the right to lawfully protect their borders, and it appears they are doing a job the government should be doing ... Read More 

Sounds like a very worthy endeavor. Citizens certainly have the right to lawfully protect their borders, and it appears they are doing a job the government should be doing but isn't.

I suspect this could also be very dangerous. There could be some pretty bad and shady people involved here, so I would be extraordinarily careful.

 

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sign me up. I'd love to take a trail ride down the border a ways. Anybody got a good horse I can borrow?
I'm serious now, ya'll. Let's organize a trail ride right down ... Read More 

sign me up. I'd love to take a trail ride down the border a ways. Anybody got a good horse I can borrow?
I'm serious now, ya'll. Let's organize a trail ride right down the border where all these rascals are comin' across.

 

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People don't realize the magnitude of this illegal alien invasion.Bringing information to the public on this issue and assisting Law Enforcement is something every red-blooded ... Read More 

People don't realize the magnitude of this illegal alien invasion.Bringing information to the public on this issue and assisting Law Enforcement is something every red-blooded American can do.

 

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We need more of this. Sure can't count on our government to protect us.