Proposed $15M county budget includes five new deputies

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Rock......I am sincerely sorry....I reviewed the wrong
comment. I have no idea why my comments were deleted.
I suggested a preventative measure to keep fire ants
from ... Read More 

Rock......I am sincerely sorry....I reviewed the wrong
comment. I have no idea why my comments were deleted.
I suggested a preventative measure to keep fire ants
from entering their homes to keep their democrat
candy donkey symbols from being eaten. Just trying to help.

 

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rock.....There you go again Walter.....I have reread
my comment and cannot find the phrase "the main purpose
of law enforcement". Why do you inject non-existent
language ... Read More 

rock.....There you go again Walter.....I have reread
my comment and cannot find the phrase "the main purpose
of law enforcement". Why do you inject non-existent
language to fit your reply ?
Law enforcement personnel set into motion the collection
of taxes (some call them fees and fines). No matter how
noble they may think their profession is, they are just
part of the machinery to transfer wealth from the people to the state.

 

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Marcemellow Muse says:
"Law enforcement does not make the stupid laws"

That depends on who you refer to as "law enforcement". The average cop ... Read More 

Marcemellow Muse says:
"Law enforcement does not make the stupid laws"

That depends on who you refer to as "law enforcement". The average cop on the beat is doing his best to just keep up with what the lastest laws are and how to enforce them. But, the Chiefs and Sheriffs and union bosses, DAs and judges all play a big role in what laws get written and which ones get enforced.

In fact, law enforcement falls under the excutive branch of government and as we have seen, is very involved in the making of laws and more importantly, how and upon whom they are enforced, or, as Grouchie would say, who gets oppressed.

 

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PRAIRIE GROUCH I second your notion that there are way too many laws and law enforcement is being used to take away are liberties which by defintion is oppression.

 

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Ol' Grouchie says:
"The main purpose of law enforcement
personnel is the oppression of citizens by enforcing
stupid laws."

No, the purpose is to enforce ... Read More 

Ol' Grouchie says:
"The main purpose of law enforcement
personnel is the oppression of citizens by enforcing
stupid laws."

No, the purpose is to enforce laws, even the stupid ones. If people are oppressed, it is the fault of those who write the laws and the idiots who vote for them.

 

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Muse......lawyer on retainer....Mercy, are you telling
that I may be in jeopardy for exercising my free speech
rights ? Do you think that we are that close to a
police ... Read More 

Muse......lawyer on retainer....Mercy, are you telling
that I may be in jeopardy for exercising my free speech
rights ? Do you think that we are that close to a
police state ?
FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE CRITICS

 

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Muse....I had no problem with law enforcement during
the 60s or 70s. I was speaking of the anti military
kooks in that era. Without law enforcement agencies
enforcing ... Read More 

Muse....I had no problem with law enforcement during
the 60s or 70s. I was speaking of the anti military
kooks in that era. Without law enforcement agencies
enforcing the massive amount of senseless and stupid
laws and regulations foisted on the citizens of America
during my lifetime, then those laws would be of little
consequence. A large portion of those laws were instigated
by special interests such as the insurance companies.
My stance considering laws is that this country was
doing just fine before the government minded nannies
and special interest decided to make laws for our
own good. By the way, is this a better country than
it was before all this laws were instituted ? Do
you feel safer ? The only things that these laws
have accomplished is to create a massive law and
corrections industry and enriched the special interests.
The fact that this nation has the largest number of
citizens in prison should cause any reasonable citizen
to stop and ponder why. When unreasonable fees and
fines are levied against the citizens (especially the
poor), then American citizens cease to be free.
Law enforcement is part of that oppression.

 

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Wow! Grouch go back to bed and try getting up on the other side. Law enforcement does not make the stupid laws. Your gripe is with the legislature. So if you had problems ... Read More 

Wow! Grouch go back to bed and try getting up on the other side. Law enforcement does not make the stupid laws. Your gripe is with the legislature. So if you had problems with law enforcement in the 60's and 70's I would hope you have outgrown it by now. If not you need to check your rear view mirror every now and then. And keep a lawyer on retainer.

 

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Ex Tiger.....I have exceeded my dreams in this life
by judicious use of my assets and the wise management
of available funds. This frugality was instilled
deeply into ... Read More 

Ex Tiger.....I have exceeded my dreams in this life
by judicious use of my assets and the wise management
of available funds. This frugality was instilled
deeply into my soul by virtue of being born in the
early 1930's. I would rather sit on a porch overlooking
completely debt free land watching the sun set over
my stock pond than watch a flat screen TV. It's all
a matter of priorities. To insure a stress free
contented life, you might consider availing yourself
of some Dave Ramsey's works. Remember, good jobs
disappear and some opportunities available to you
now will not be there in later life. They are
thousands of unemployed people in the forties and fifties
who once held excellent paying jobs. Best wishes for
success during you entire life cycle.

 

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Uncle. I concede be careful. I'm sure you threw yourself on countless grenades and have drug the wounded out of harms way with nothing but your teeth. You are obviously ... Read More 

Uncle. I concede be careful. I'm sure you threw yourself on countless grenades and have drug the wounded out of harms way with nothing but your teeth. You are obviously convinced your call to arms is more important than mine or any other Veteran, so I will refrain from further comments that cause you to stomp your feet and possibly cause your dentures to fall in your oatmeal. But I believe with my whole being you are just a bitter old man who could not hold a candle to any Deputy in this County. Have a good life and I'm outta here. "Ain't nothing but a thing"

 

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Nice Crenshaw and Finders,

So, all you do is attack a disabled person for tripping in the mess. I think my honorable military record and VA medical record would prove ... Read More 

Nice Crenshaw and Finders,

So, all you do is attack a disabled person for tripping in the mess. I think my honorable military record and VA medical record would prove otherwise. You both have so much class and prove why the idiotic statements you make are moronic and lack any subsistence. I am so proud of you as I know the only thing you service is yourself. When the nation called, I answered and a man, the coward, Crenshew, who didn’t have not the guts to serve calls me a coward. You are an embarrassment to yourself and your family. I feel sorry for you. You have no pride, no respect and no guts.

Finders is the most dimmed individual on this site. So, according to Finders, a police job especially working for the Sheriff’s Office is not a government job. So, who pays these folks and their medical insurance and retirement? Duh? As for the candy bar, maybe you could use one of your food stamps or welfare checks and buy me one. Your ranting and raving with no facts about how bad this country shows you are un-American, probably an illegal immigrant. Contrast my original statements to these two dolts, I presented a reasonable argument and proved them with facts. I get comments back that my life was so wonderful and I am a coward. It always amazes me when reasonable arguments are presented the ugliest people come out with the ugliest statements. One thing I have learned just because a soul with an evil heart makes horrible lies about you; you can either drive on or respond. I will respond with my pen as stupid ugly people need to be shown for what they are; worthless scabs on society.

 

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If an officer or any individual is satisfied with a 28000 dollar a year salary then I would say that their ambition has been met or satisfied and have no ambition to advance ... Read More 

If an officer or any individual is satisfied with a 28000 dollar a year salary then I would say that their ambition has been met or satisfied and have no ambition to advance their career or their salary.

There are different levels of ambition and standards of living. If a person chooses to support their family on a two thousand a month salary as opposed to someone that make six thousand a month that would suggest that the individual on 2000 a month salary's ambitions have been met and he or she has a lower living standard than that of an individual on a 6000 a month salary.

No that does not make an individual less or better than the other. It just means one has the ambition to pursue more.

 

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PG and Be Careful,

I don't know why you all are so anti-law enforcement, but their job is equally important to that of any military person. They just fight here on homeland ... Read More 

PG and Be Careful,

I don't know why you all are so anti-law enforcement, but their job is equally important to that of any military person. They just fight here on homeland and not in other countries.

Be Careful just because you served in the war you want, a candy bar? So your disabled? Do you want us to cry a river for you? Should we appreciate you more than others. I know Vietnam Veterans that live in this county that would LOVE the treatment you get. There is a whole nursing home full of veterans in Floresville that would love the attention that you are bosting about.

You all preach about government jobs, since when was a police officer a government job? You think the benefits are great and they are just living the dream, why don't you ask one of them. Next time you see them, ask them how they struggle with two paychecks in the home. But then again, not everyone makes what they should. Everyone thinks they are worth more than what they get paid. Be Careful you like to preach about how your a veteran. How much of what you get do you actually deserve? You think everything, well like you they think the same way. They put their lives on the line everyday. We have more domestic violence in this county than other counties our size. We have more drugs in our county too. Burglaries are all over this county. It's sad when neighborhoods have to become watchers because the law enforcement cannot patrol as often because of the square footage they cover. Be careful you will be concerned if any of those happen to you or a family member. You would want their undivided attention to your problem, and then when you don't get it you sound like one of those that will call and complain because you didn't get what you want.

Yes pay them what they are worth. At least $40,000 plus benefits. Their job is hardwork when dealing with stupid people all day. They do not just sit in a truck and give tickets. Speak to them about what they do and don't do. Your interpretation of them is dead wrong.

PG - isn't that want someone is suppose to do, better themselves and their families. It would be idiotic to not want to better yourself. Maybe you are comfortable with where you are at, but there are people in this world that will strive to better themselves.

 

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Ex Tiger....If an individual lives life by fulfilling
their own needs, they will never get ahead. I suppose
my idea of owning my land and residence with a ample
bank ... Read More 

Ex Tiger....If an individual lives life by fulfilling
their own needs, they will never get ahead. I suppose
my idea of owning my land and residence with a ample
bank account pales in comparison to those indulging
themselves. Waste not, want not.

 

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Ex Tiger......There you go again. Downgrading your fellow citizens because they work for a lesser wage. I assume
you are including the county law enforcement personnel.
By ... Read More 

Ex Tiger......There you go again. Downgrading your fellow citizens because they work for a lesser wage. I assume
you are including the county law enforcement personnel.
By the way if the person making $28000.00 per year is
married with children, they would pay no income tax and would
be eligible for the earned income tax credit of over
two thousand dollars. I surmise your opinion may be
that some of our local law enforcement have no ambition
(other than clamoring for a pay raise) to move on to
a more profitable career. Is that what you are implying ?

 

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Be Careful, even if they form their own association, Section 174.202 of the Local Government Code prohibits strikes or labor slowdowns by police and firefighting ... Read More 

Be Careful, even if they form their own association, Section 174.202 of the Local Government Code prohibits strikes or labor slowdowns by police and firefighting personnel.

 

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Prairie Grouch: Not sure what decade you are living in. I searched the classifieds in the Wilson County News just to get an idea on rental prices in the area. The cheapest ... Read More 

Prairie Grouch: Not sure what decade you are living in. I searched the classifieds in the Wilson County News just to get an idea on rental prices in the area. The cheapest amount of rent I came across was 450.00 for a one bedroom mobile home in calaveras lake. The salary and standard of living you suggest may work for a single person with no kids and no ambition to prosper.

There is a difference between living a comfortable prosperous life and greed. If an individual lives life by only fulfilling their needs they will never get ahead. They will always be bitter and will complain about how other people shouldnt make so much money and how much taxes they have to pay.

 

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Some of the blogs against law enforcement (be careful) I suspect is probably to cowardly to do the job of a Peace Officer, so he compensates for his cowardice with the mighty ... Read More 

Some of the blogs against law enforcement (be careful) I suspect is probably to cowardly to do the job of a Peace Officer, so he compensates for his cowardice with the mighty pen.

 

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Finders, who said they were not needed. We need ranch hands to work the land and cattle, but we pay them based on supply and demand. Damn harder than a sheriff's job.

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Finders, who said they were not needed. We need ranch hands to work the land and cattle, but we pay them based on supply and demand. Damn harder than a sheriff's job.

The point is pay should be based on what the job is worth; not some idealistic this job or that job is underpaid. The only people who can make more than they are worth are government employees because they don't provide billable services.

HEB pays based on what it can afford to make a profit. Government workers are paid on we need "government workers" and they are not making enough, but no one can define enough especially compared to the private sector.

If they want to go on strike go ahead. We can hire other people to do the job. No one is walking off the job for pay for the work they do. Put the want ad in the paper and see how long it takes to fill. They are making good money for service rendered.

As for the services they provide and described by you: Oh, Yes, I am so concerned about golf carts in the street. Oh, Yes, I am so concerned about dog bites, the paper reports 100's of bites a day.

Be realistic. I do love the over the top domestic abuse rant. What is the cop going to do, move in with them? You touched my heart strings and I threw out all logic and like a lover in love with a harlot I am willing to give her my wallet and starve myself. Please don't use emotions with me as I prefer logic not tears.

Everyone in the entire county could be police and that would not stop crime.

Whatever you spend on police you can't spend elsewhere. Why don't you outlaw cars because people get killed in or by them every day.

Everything in life has a value. We trade lives for the use of cars. We trade lives for the food we eat. We trade lives for the fuel we use. Your simple minded argument of one item does not cover the complex world of economics or the value of work or life.

Pay what they are worth and only have enough of them to tackle major crimes and give me a metric to determine performance and with the extra time spend it on minor crimes like mental midgets who ride golf carts in the road and those who complain about it.

 

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Maybe the deputies need to form their own association like the Floresville PD. Maybe that will get them more money and if it doesn't, well then they can all go on strike ... Read More 

Maybe the deputies need to form their own association like the Floresville PD. Maybe that will get them more money and if it doesn't, well then they can all go on strike and not get a paycheck or report to work. Then maybe people in this county will understand how important their job is and quit bellyaching about it. They are a neccessity in this county. From cattle on the road that owners cannot keep on their own land, to dog bites (there is no animal control in the county), to drugs in La Vernia, Sutherland Springs, Stockdale, to burglaries all over, to people driving their golf carts down the road (which is against the law). I know here where I live there is always something going on as far as domestic violence and I am grateful that they come because you never know when it is going to get out of hand.

You act like they are not needed in this community, yet I'm sure you do not hesitate to call 911 or the office when something is not to your liking.

 

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One riot, one Texas Ranger. Enough said.

 

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So Greg how much taxes do you paid in Wilson County? In Bexar County the tax rate is 32.86 or 29% cheaper than Wilson County rate of 45.33 and going up. So on a $100,000 ... Read More 

So Greg how much taxes do you paid in Wilson County? In Bexar County the tax rate is 32.86 or 29% cheaper than Wilson County rate of 45.33 and going up. So on a $100,000 house in Wilson County I pay an extra $125/year. I lived in Bexar County and every time I called Sheriffs Office it was 30 minutes. When in San Antonio that could be longer especially if non-emergency like being robbed at HEB occurs. I know. What makes you so special that you need a police ASAP?

As for Commissioners, they are the fifth highest paid Commissioners of 36 counties with a Population 25,000 - 49,999. Why is everything the most expensive no matter what the government function in Wilson County?

This data can be found at: http://www.county.org/

Greg, you whine and complain with no research on the topic. If you are going to whine, can you at least bring some real data instead of you had to wait 30 minutes for a deputy? The question should be how long is a reasonable amount of time to wait because an outside who doesn't pay taxes doesn't get there handheld quick enough.

Living in many places and dealing with numerous police departments, I think 30 minutes for a non-emergency is more than reasonable. Trust me if shots were fired, they would have been there ASAP.

 

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I have responded to a 911 call in the wee hours of the morning and called for law enforcement because the scene was not safe. The dispatcher responded that no deputies ... Read More 

I have responded to a 911 call in the wee hours of the morning and called for law enforcement because the scene was not safe. The dispatcher responded that no deputies would be available for 30 minutes. This has happened several times. So yes, I feel 5 more deputies are a good idea. Don't forget that the Sheriff's office runs 24 hours. That requires manpower for 2 or 3 shifts.
The deputies have to testify in court and that means they are not available to patrol at all times. They also, like to take vacations and sometimes get sick.
Personally, I don't think 5 are enough. But maybe that is all this county can afford.
Also, I don't think the members of the commissioner's court woke up one morning and they all decided increasing the county budget over $3.3 million dollars would be a fun thing to do. Maybe they need a better way of communicating with the citizens of this county. But I don't think they decided to put this plan forward without considering the ramifications.

 

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The article stated a cost of $48000.00 per new deputy
in salary and benefits. Of course, that is the entry
cost and it would be greater for deputies with more
seniority. ... Read More 

The article stated a cost of $48000.00 per new deputy
in salary and benefits. Of course, that is the entry
cost and it would be greater for deputies with more
seniority. Total compensation should be the focus
because that is the cost to the taxpayers of Wilson
county.

 

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Rambler you said "good" require at least a 2 yr college degree. There is no college that I am aware of in Wilson County. It is a law enforcement course like ... Read More 

Rambler you said "good" require at least a 2 yr college degree. There is no college that I am aware of in Wilson County. It is a law enforcement course like a real estate license. Even if you have 2 -year degree the median salary is only $35,100. So, 50% of the people with a two years of college make $35k or less. Again, why are policeman so special. Is crime out of control? Or do we need to give more speeding tickets?

Second have you seen the police in this area. A good number of them have a hard time getting there butt out of the car. Bellies get in the way. So, I am not sure of the physical, looking to see if they are breathing? So, they need guns so they don't have to run.

As for San Antonio, it is a totally different work environment. Most folks I know who apply and have made it; have a 4-year degree and are in great shape. I doubt if any or most of the local police folks could not meet requirements.

HEB does not pay $14/hour and the health benefits are not as good. Government jobs is where the money, security and benefits are.

Besides most of the high school bullies and drug users who are now policeman, HEB won't hire them:)

 

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"Make that $13.46 per hour......:) "

Most good law enforcement agencies around the country require at least a 2 yr college degree. You must pass a written ... Read More 

"Make that $13.46 per hour......:) "

Most good law enforcement agencies around the country require at least a 2 yr college degree. You must pass a written test, physical agility, at least one oral board, a medical, a background investigation and a polygraph. Then, you must complete an academy lasting 3-6 months and then you must pass the field training program and a 1 or 2 yr probation period during which time you can be fired for almost anything.

Who would go through all that for a job that starts you out at $14 per hour in today's economy?

SAPD starting salary after completing the academy is $40,284. That is about $21 per hour. Still awfully low considering the job responsibilites and working conditions. I think HEB pays better than that.

 

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Make that $13.46 per hour......:)

 

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Ex Tiger....The monthly salary that we are discussing
comes to about $13.46 a month which is about double the
minimum wage. The items that you listed
reveals a living ... Read More 

Ex Tiger....The monthly salary that we are discussing
comes to about $13.46 a month which is about double the
minimum wage. The items that you listed
reveals a living beyond your means mentality. For example,
the $250.00 car payment would indicate that the person
preferred not to walk until he could pay cash for cheap
reliable means of transportation. I grew up in a small
town in Oklahoma and my family never owned a car or
had air conditioning.
By the way, over 70 percent of the US population had
no air conditioning in 1970. From 1971 till 1977, I lived in
Rockport, Texas without air conditioning. You mentioned
a mortgage of $800.00 indicating home ownership. Renting would be a more sensible choice.
Let's see if we can cut some expenses.

Rent with bills paid....200.00 saved.
Liability only..........40.00 saved
No car payment..........250.00 saved
More judicious use of car...20.00 savings on gas
$28,000.00 is close to the median wage in Floresville, so it's probably more than 45% of
the people are making. Need, not greed is the secret.
I consider any wage or salary that enables me to provide
shelter and food to be good. Careful management of
resources enables you to live better than careless
persons with greater wealth.

 

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Prarie Grouch:
There are many things to consider when we determine what a good salary is.

Lets break it down per say: Give or take a couple of hundred. ... Read More 

Prarie Grouch:
There are many things to consider when we determine what a good salary is.

Lets break it down per say: Give or take a couple of hundred.

Mortgage in Floresville 800.00

Electric bill: 100.00 average considering hot summers.

water,trash and sewer. 50.00

Gas utility: 50.00 average considering winter months:

250.00 car payment.

car insurance 80.00 on average one vehicle:

groceries 400. per month

lets say this person works in and lives in floresville.

Gas for vehicle. 100 per month

so far this come out to 1830.00

I have not included clothing, Federal taxes or health insurance. Keep in mind I left out dependents. Im sure that these items would exceed the gross income of 28000 a year. I dont think that you can even save money in your 401k or regular savings on this salary.

According to government data the median income for Floresville is $30,093.

 

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Ex Tiger.....28,000.00.
It really has nothing to do with standards. The
large number of people in Wilson county earning less
than that amount would consider $28,000.00 ... Read More 

Ex Tiger.....28,000.00.
It really has nothing to do with standards. The
large number of people in Wilson county earning less
than that amount would consider $28,000.00 to be a
very good salary.
A large number of persons on extended unemployment
are there because they refuse to accept a lower paying
job because of false pride but don't mind
living off their fellow man.
If you are living in CA, you should be aware that
money buys a lot more in central Texas.

 

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Something else.....After you deduct the standard deduction
for married couples (11,600.00) and the personal exemptions $3000.00 (4 x $750.00) you have $20,400.00 ... Read More 

Something else.....After you deduct the standard deduction
for married couples (11,600.00) and the personal exemptions $3000.00 (4 x $750.00) you have $20,400.00
for taxable wages. The tax on that amount for married
couples filing jointly is $2214.00. The child tax
credit reduces that amount to $14.00. The earned
income tax credit for a person earning $35000.00 with
two children is $2331.00. After deducting the $14.00
due, the total refund will be $2317.00.
I have a feeling that you might pay to have your
taxes prepared.

 

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Greg instead of some emotional illogical statements like “Do you want law enforcement? Do you want paved roads? Do you expect to get it for free? I couldn't afford the cut ... Read More 

Greg instead of some emotional illogical statements like “Do you want law enforcement? Do you want paved roads? Do you expect to get it for free? I couldn't afford the cut in pay to do any county job in Wilson County,” how about you justify why they deserve a higher salary. Your argument is I don’t want law enforcement or roads? REALLY?

I am not asking for free law enforcement, I am asking for salaries to be in line with job requirements. I can’t afford to work at McDonald’s either so we should pay them more money? In any business the largest cost is people costs. Now, you are increasing people cost which means less roads and less law enforcement so you are spouting the opposite of what you are asking for. Less people costs means more roads so which is it you want? Higher salaries or more services?

Wilson County is in the catbird’s seat because of the Oil boom. However, it won’t last forever. The numerous man camps and trailer trash parks will come to end. Then, all the numerous overpaid government positions will crush the community. So, why don’t we set salaries on what is fair (fair = market value of work) and number of employees based on some logical reason. Has crime risen? What is driving these hirings? I just wish government and the big government supports could use logic in determining salaries and number of employees. Government will spend every dime you give them and ask for more with the statement but we can …. Do Better or the poor pitiful government slugs can’t feed their family… All these promises with no metric to judge “better” by. Most hiring in local government has more to do with who you know than what you know. And the move government folks you have the more likely they will go to the polls and keep the downward spiral going.

 

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Greg, the cost of living has gone up for everyone, but that doesn’t mean the tax rate should go up. The County continues to bring in more and more money and spending it ... Read More 

Greg, the cost of living has gone up for everyone, but that doesn’t mean the tax rate should go up. The County continues to bring in more and more money and spending it unwisely. No one is complaining about paying taxes, we are complaining why the amount of money collected by the County can longer to afford the services it has in the past. No one in the private sector is getting pay raises and there is over 7% unemployment. Yet, you want to pay for government employees whose salaries are out of line for what they do. We want pay to match supply and demand. Quit your job tomorrow and let’s see how long it takes to fill a government job. Again, the average salary in Wilson County is $26,853 so the average citizen makes less than your bleeding heart, non-factual reason for government salaries.

I don’t care if $28,000 ($13.41/hr) a year is a good salary. There are a lot of people who would like to make this salary especially considering the government benefits. I hope most of them can get off work to vote against these government spending hogs.

Why do you people keep making an argument about what a “good salary” is. My argument is you should get paid what your service is worth. Again, what does a roofer make? Is it a “good salary?” Don’t know but if people can’t afford new roofs they won’t get there roofs re-done… Until someone comes along with a cheaper price by hiring cheaper labor. In the private sector, you can’t pay McDonald’s employees $28,000/year because nobody wants to pay $15 for a hamburger.

How can you folks argue sitting in a car in A/C getting out only to give speeding tickets, with a high school education justifies $45k ($21.61) plus outstanding benefits. Now, with that said, I do believe the Ladies and Gentleman of the Wilson County Sheriff’s office provide a great service. I just want the service to be in line with what we can afford. I don’t eat at Ruth Chris house because I can’t affort it. The food they provide is not worth the extra cost. In terms of Wilson County, the service they are providing will not be improved with increased costs just more money to government employees.

So, I work in the private sector and I should go in and tell my boss I am not making a decent wage and I need a pay raise because it is “the Right” thing to do. He would tell me, “We appreciated your service the last few years but our company cannot pay those types of wages so you must either work at these rates or go elsewhere.” SO, if the wages are so bad in Wilson County Government, then QUIT and see if you can find a better easier paying job.

 

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I agree that the salaries are low, even for this area. I would like to see them getting much more. They deserve it. But here's the rub. When taken together with our total ... Read More 

I agree that the salaries are low, even for this area. I would like to see them getting much more. They deserve it. But here's the rub. When taken together with our total tax burden, most of which is school taxes, there just isn't enough blood left in the turnip to give them more money and benefits.

Who's to blame for this? You can blame the voters who keep throwing more and more money into the schools as if that will somehow fix the broken education system, or just because it's the right thing to do, "for the children". In fact, judging by the tax rates, voters apparently believe that public education is 3 times more important than law enforcement, roads and all the other services that the county tax rate provides. That is why your cops are so grossly underpaid.

The ISD tax bill and county tax bill may arrive in separate envelopes, and our elected officials my use that to point fingers and blame the other taxing entities, but it all comes out of the same dwindling bank account. It's all lumped into one big ball of hard to swallow, ever increasing tax burden that we must face every year, as dependable and predictable as flies on a cowpie and politicians voting to give themselves raises.

 

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To everyone complaining about taxes. Do you want law enforcement? Do you want paved roads? Do you expect to get it for free? I couldn't afford the cut in pay to do ... Read More 

To everyone complaining about taxes. Do you want law enforcement? Do you want paved roads? Do you expect to get it for free? I couldn't afford the cut in pay to do any county job in Wilson county. We are living in the 21th century. The cost of living has gone up. Deal with it.
Some of the cheapest people live here in Wilson County. People want county and emergency services but they don't want to pay for them.

 

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GP, that is a bunch of blah! If a married (ANY) employee makes $35,000 and has two children, they DO NOT get that much back. There is a lot that is taken into consideration. ... Read More 

GP, that is a bunch of blah! If a married (ANY) employee makes $35,000 and has two children, they DO NOT get that much back. There is a lot that is taken into consideration. To get the income tax credit, the spouse cannot make over $10,000 that year. Hardly anyone qualified for the ITC unless they are both not working. I'm sure you think that $2300 is alot of money and will last for a long time, but actually that is more than what a jailer, dispatcher or deputy takes home in a month.

Flying monkey, you must be a crook! Respect anywhere is given and lost quickly. I'm sure you expect just as much respect as the next person. BUT crooks are usually the ones that through out the respect issue.

Mr. Smith thank you for your service here in Wilson County. I know EMTs and our EMS do not get the respect nor pay they deserve!!

 

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I have for 4 years experience as an EMT in Wilson County. I am surprised at Flying Monkeys and Brite Eye's comments. I am willing to bet you have never talked to them. ... Read More 

I have for 4 years experience as an EMT in Wilson County. I am surprised at Flying Monkeys and Brite Eye's comments. I am willing to bet you have never talked to them. Are you going on personal experience or hearsay? My personal experience are that they are a well disciplined professionals. And pretty good guys when off duty.

 

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Who ever thinks 28000 is a good salary, must have very low standards.

 

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A married employee earning $35,000.00 per year with
two children would pay no income tax. After applying
the child tax credit along with the earned income
tax credit, ... Read More 

A married employee earning $35,000.00 per year with
two children would pay no income tax. After applying
the child tax credit along with the earned income
tax credit, the employee would received a refund check
of approximately $2300.00. Considering all the moaning
about low pay, I suspect that a large portion of our
county workforce may not pay any income taxes.
Any refund received due to the child credit tax
and the earned income tax credit is welfare pure and
simple. So much for spreading the wealth.

 

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so right rockin chair rambler!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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OK, the Sheriff says he needs 5 new deputies. Maybe he does. Maybe the calls for service and response time requires more deputies. I suspect he does need them, considering ... Read More 

OK, the Sheriff says he needs 5 new deputies. Maybe he does. Maybe the calls for service and response time requires more deputies. I suspect he does need them, considering the population growth and the transient population and traffic due to the oil boom. Hopefully this has all been calculated out so that the increased population has increased the tax base sufficiently to cover the increased budget. It should have.

But if these guys come at us again for higher taxes to pay for it, without a shred of public debate or stats to justify it or calculation to include future debt, as in PENSIONS..... then all the bad-mouthing and harrassing blogging will also be justified and warranted.

The county is growing and all indications are that the boom will last for a decade or longer. But, don't forget that the go-go years of the 90s also brought a false sense of prosperity to many failed cities today that all too quickly turned into bankruptcy when the chickens came home to roost.

I would really like to believe that these new positions and raises have all been decided on future calculations of the true total cost to tax payer. But, something tells me they are were not. Something tells me that they are based on the hope that boom lasts forever and, if not, well, we'll just deal with that when the time comes.

 

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You got it right Be Careful!

 

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In light of the veiled threats posted on the Wilson
County News blogs, I can understand why people would
employ user names. Some of the people hinting at
repercussions ... Read More 

In light of the veiled threats posted on the Wilson
County News blogs, I can understand why people would
employ user names. Some of the people hinting at
repercussions do not even use their own names. I don't
live, but own property, in Wilson county, so I don't
mind listing my name. I have also entered into year
80 so there is not much that I fear. I would urge
everyone to be very careful about hinting at any
type of consequences.

 

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Something else.....Public sector actually gives raises
to the worker bees..........How much honey do the
public sector worker bees gather ?????? They
don't make the ... Read More 

Something else.....Public sector actually gives raises
to the worker bees..........How much honey do the
public sector worker bees gather ?????? They
don't make the honey, they only confiscate it. :)

 

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Something else to say 2 So, a recognized field of mathematics, Statistics, is not factual. Please provide me information on where the facts I used where not factual. I ... Read More 

Something else to say 2 So, a recognized field of mathematics, Statistics, is not factual. Please provide me information on where the facts I used where not factual. I stated average salaries and where people work. While I realize statistics can be used in a wide variety of ways including being deceptive. However, the data I was used was collected in a manner no different than the US Census Bureau. I suppose you don’t believe in US Census Bureau statistics either. Their data is used to determine what areas get what. So, as usual your argument is illogical. I am starting to believe “something else to say” means saying things that are not grounded in logic and science.

“None of the private sector jobs directly affect how our city operates.” Really? So, if HEB left, the sewer plant would operate the same way. The road wear and tear would not change. The amount of money collected by the city in taxes would not be affected and they would have enough payroll to pay all the police. Are you smoking something? A successful region cannot exist without a private sector. You must have really bought into Obama and the socialist agenda. Where do you think the City of Floresville gets its money to operate? The private sector drives the need for sewer, garbage, police, EMS, fire services not government. I know you hate statistics but how would a city of 100% government employees pay for itself?

Those who “rush to danger when everyone else is running away should be compensated accordingly.” Who says they are not compensated according. These policemen sit in A/C and give speeding tickets all day and investigate petty crime. What danger are they rushing into? Why are they rushing? Let’s look at the The 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in America. Farmers and ranchers have a at work death rate twice that of policeman. Fishermen, loggers, aircraft pilots, roofers, mining machine operators, garbage collectors, truck drivers, and industrial machine operators have greater death rates than police officers. Do you know how much a roofer makes and how hard that job is? Again, when people stop lining up for government jobs, they are making enough.
Your argument “Do they make enough, by no means no, but does anyone?” Really? So, nobody’s job is worth more than anyone’s and we cannot make choices on salary so we all should make a bazillion dollars/year. Then, how much do you think things would cost in the grocery story? Make salary based on supply and demand, if the government folks don’t want the job, there are plenty of people standing in line to fill them. Your argument lacks logic and reason.

Your statement “complain and harrass a blog under a psuedo name and not face consequences for it” shows your complete ignorance of the history of the United States. First, I don’t see you name. Second, I did not harass you. You attacked me in a blog asking me to move to Canada; told me scientific proof which uses statistics is not factual; refuse to accept the supply/demand economic theory ; said I have big shorts (I am not a Floresville Policeman) and final you are threatening consequences. Now, for the history lesson. Benjamin Franklin wrote under a pseudo name and his writings and others allowed the colonist to communicate ideas and eventually overthrow the British government.

So, far, you don’t appear to grasp basic math or have knowledge of history but you want me to believe the government employees deserve more money even though we could fill their positions in short order if they walked off the job. Are you a government employee? I bet you are:)

Lastly, I never once said I did not appreciate government employees. A good number of them do a bang up job. Good for them. I do a bang up job and I am private sector and I didn’t get a pay raise last year. We need supply and demand wages. If we can’t fill the positions, if the positions are even necessary, then raise the salary. Again, farmers and ranchers do a bang up job; is there salary or “hard” work hours more or less. We can't use feel good or emotional determinations to determine wages. At least make a statistical argument that they are underpaid. Of course, you don’t believe in mainstream theories. Oh by the way, Floresville PD used some statistics that no one saw that they presented to justify more money.

 

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Something Else.....I left Wilson county a bit over two
years ago but since I own property in Wilson county,
I can't escape the taxes. In fact, my taxes increased
because ... Read More 

Something Else.....I left Wilson county a bit over two
years ago but since I own property in Wilson county,
I can't escape the taxes. In fact, my taxes increased
because I am no longer eligible for the homestead
exemption. I have posted my real name but notice that
you do not but slight the rest of the bloggers that
have user names. Maybe just a touch of hypocrisy ?

 

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Actually statistics are not factual! They are just that statistics. Statistics: "the science that deals with the collection, classification, analysis, and interpretation ... Read More 

Actually statistics are not factual! They are just that statistics. Statistics: "the science that deals with the collection, classification, analysis, and interpretation of numerical data, and that, by use of mathematical theories of probability, imposes order and regularity on aggregates of more or less disparate elements." Not all statistical data is true or factual.

Private sector is where the money is, the only reason any of our areas have money right now is because of the oil, but that will disappear. Private sector jobs are more inclusive, hence private sector. We would still have a Floresville because none of the private sector jobs directly affect how our city operates. Private sector jobs also bring in millions upon millions and cannot be compared to public sector jobs, that is like comparing lettuce and oranges. Private sector jobs give their CEOs, shareholders, and other top executives raises on a 6 month or yearly basis depending on how their worker bees do. Public sector actually gives raises to the worker bees.

Government jobs are on the rise because of their benefits, for instance the state benefits are good. Federal is even better. The pay isn't bad either. NOW county and city jobs, that is different because it depends on the taxrate in the area. Just depends, SAPD makes way more than FPD or PPD. Texas DPS makes $36,000-62,000. I agree those that sit on their butts in offices all day and answer phones do not need a raise every year, but those that put their life on the line day in and out and rush to danger when everyone else is running away should be compensated accordingly. Do they make enough, by no means no, but does anyone?

Your right as an American you do have the right to complain and harrass a blog under a psuedo name and not face consequences for it. But at the same time I hope when you do need the resources of those in the public sector, particularly law enforcement, ems, fire department, you remember what you have stated about them and how useless they are to the community.

A college education does not always get you the best of anything. These jobs these officers, jailers, and dispatchers do require a certificate from an educational source. A college education will get you further in the private sector than in any public sector job. But then again how many people can afford a college education?

We all have our own opinions and fortunately the commissioner's saw they needed to do.

 

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Video posted

 

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Why is that anytime someone expresses concerns over raising taxes in a already crap economy, someone else tells them to move out? Every so called complaint is a concern ... Read More 

Why is that anytime someone expresses concerns over raising taxes in a already crap economy, someone else tells them to move out? Every so called complaint is a concern over financial responsibility or the lack of. Many many people have not been receiving raises as of late, but continue to see their taxes rise. I'm not saying that they don't deserve a raise, but do they really require that much money? Since I work more on the federal end of the sector I see a huge waste every year this time of year. More of granting wants than needs. End of year chaos for fallout money.

 

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Something else.....22,000.000 salary plus $10,200.00
for health care....that's over thirty two thousand
a year not counting the taxpayer funded payment to
the retirement ... Read More 

Something else.....22,000.000 salary plus $10,200.00
for health care....that's over thirty two thousand
a year not counting the taxpayer funded payment to
the retirement plan. That compensation would be
welcomed by a lot of Wilson county workers in the
private sector.

 

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Something else to say 2. I appreciate your invite to leave but I would prefer government hogs like yourself leave. You don’t own this area. Just because people sit on ... Read More 

Something else to say 2. I appreciate your invite to leave but I would prefer government hogs like yourself leave. You don’t own this area. Just because people sit on the butt answering phone calls, I am sure they deserve a big raise while the private sector folks work there butts off. Private sector is where the “real” money comes not from the government. Without private sector folks driving to San Antonio, there wouldn’t be a Floresville. What is amazing is when a government job opens up, dozens of people apply. If government jobs are so bad and underpaid, why is there so much interest in government job openings. All these jobs that you want to pay big bucks don’t even require college education. Why don’t you and those complaining government folks leave because government employees are easy to replace. Private sectors jobs go empty all the time because you actually. Why don’t you go work in the oil fields and find out what real work is? I just can't figured out why you think these folks deserved a pay raise when there is over 8% in the country; and private sector and most federal agencies are not giving raises, but these people deserve one. Trust me I appreciate what they do, but they should be paid what the work is worth.

As an American and taxpayer, I have right to have my say. When you become King of the world you can make me move and/or be quiet.

You don’t like statistics because they give the truth and the truth doesn’t fit your narrow minded view of the world. You probably grew up wondering what math has to do with real life. I guess you are still wondering.

 

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You know those of you that complain about taxes, don't like it GET OUT, move to Canada move to a different country. You all think they are complaining about what they make, ... Read More 

You know those of you that complain about taxes, don't like it GET OUT, move to Canada move to a different country. You all think they are complaining about what they make, compared to others in their work environment they make dirt. You think your taxes really carry their families! ha! Many of their spouses do work in San Antonio and make that so called sacrifice. BUT then again, why doesn't Floresville have more places that people can work for more than just minimum wage? Maybe you should ask the County EDCs and cities that question. If you choose to work in SA then that is your choice! Floresville is a commuter town, when you moved to the area you should of known that.
Be careful do you know that jailers, dispatcher, and starting deputies make less than $22,000 a year? That is less than $800 take home after they pay taxes. Just because you get statistics off of a website means nothing.
And yes if they want a better job they can move. I think you all are doing more complaining about paying taxes than they are. Your big shorts are up in arms because they got raises, that they deserve. Well too bad, don't like it LEAVE!

 

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Good points - it is time these county employees stop whining and face the real world the rest of us live in. I am tired of paying enough in taxes to support two other families. ... Read More 

Good points - it is time these county employees stop whining and face the real world the rest of us live in. I am tired of paying enough in taxes to support two other families. If i have to support two other families, then let me pick the ones i support.

 

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Here are some more statistics to show the government employees are not underpaid. The average salary in Wilson County is $26,853 (2009 data). So every law enforcement worker ... Read More 

Here are some more statistics to show the government employees are not underpaid. The average salary in Wilson County is $26,853 (2009 data). So every law enforcement worker in Wilson County and Floresville makes more than the average worker in Wilson County. So, who is paying these wages? The types of workers in Wilson County:
• Private wage or salary: 72%
• Government: 20%
• Self-employed, not incorporated: 8%
• Unpaid family work: 0%
Percentage of county residents living and working in this county: 33.1%
So, the 20% of government workers outnumber the 13.1 of workers who work in Wilson County.

I am starting to believe this blog is loaded with rich government workers (makes more than the poor folks who drive to San Antonio to make $26,583). If you don’t like your big pay then go somewhere else where it pays more. Good luck. If you get a private sector job, don’t plan on getting great health benefits or better pay or work less hours. My work’s family health insurance costs are $800/month and the insurance doesn’t kick in until I meet the $2000 deductible. How much do the FISD teacher’s pay for family health insurance? I won’t even go into retirement that the private sector workers pay for themselves.

Wilson County and Floresville city government employees want me to have sympathy? Drive 1 hour to San Antonio and get a real job and see how the real workers have to make a living scraping by and losing time. Workers who work in San Antonio don’t just get to leave work for 10 minutes to an hour to take care of business in town. You are living the life of luxury and complaining about it. PLEASE!!!
Data presented can be found at: http://www.city-data.com/county/Wilson_County-TX.html

 

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Finders....Concerning the deductible being more than
they take home.....I recall in the not so distant
past that the County Commissioners passed on raising
the deductible ... Read More 

Finders....Concerning the deductible being more than
they take home.....I recall in the not so distant
past that the County Commissioners passed on raising
the deductible while the employee health care costs
were increasing. Just let the taxpayers bear the burden
alone. You also mentioned that unlike other occupations,
the county employees do not get perks such as travel
pay, free medical, housing, and so forth. How many
jobs in Wilson county enjoy those benefits ? Just
more envy of the military. Most county residents
on Medicare pay close to one hundred dollars a month
in premiums and they are still responsible for 20
percent of their health care costs. Most purchase
an supplemental insurance policy at their own expense to cover that cost. According to the article, county
taxpayers spend about $850.00 per month for each
county employee health costs. That comes to about
$10,200.00 a year that the taxpayers foot the bill
for health care for each county employee. How much
more slop do you think the taxpayers should dump
into the county employee feeding trough. One and a
half million not enough for health care ?
Concerning shift work. For the first ten years
of my career in military communications, I worked
rotating shifts and enjoyed some of the less appreciated
benefits such as uncrowded recreational sites and the
ability to attend to chores that others have to do on
the weekend.
The majority of military retirees work at a second
career after retiring. Your vision of military retirees
enjoying the leisure life is false. I made a deal
with the DOD for twenty years of my life and I
receive benefits for fulfilling that contract. If
the law enforcement personnel don't feel that their
contract is worthwhile, seek a better one elsewhere.
I suspect that you may have some personal interest
in this matter but you do not enhance the image of
a professional by whining. It sounds infantile to
scream for more milk. Remember, when you are suckling
the hind teat of the county sow, stop complaining about
the smell.

 

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Finders....The article on the five new deputies stated
that their salary and benefits would cost $240.000.
Dividing $240,000. by five equals $48,000. Either
the commissioners ... Read More 

Finders....The article on the five new deputies stated
that their salary and benefits would cost $240.000.
Dividing $240,000. by five equals $48,000. Either
the commissioners are lying or you are. I stated
my full name in a recent comment to Deputy Moore.
I noticed that you did not state your name. Why not, are you a wimp ? Your comment about me hiding in the
latter part of your comments suggest that you think the WCSO would provide less service to a citizen that
they disagreed with in a public forum. Is that what
you believe ? If so, it would be an insult to any
professional law enforcement officer.
By the way, the armed forces are always looking for
a few good men.











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OMG Finders, does that mean they wont respond when I call them, or maybe they will pull me over more. This is a free blog and we are allowed to post our opinions. We all ... Read More 

OMG Finders, does that mean they wont respond when I call them, or maybe they will pull me over more. This is a free blog and we are allowed to post our opinions. We all dont think and believe alike, that doesnt make it a crime. There are things we are against and things we are fore, and last time I checked it was a free county. One in which I did my part in protecting that freedom

 

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Why more deputies? Really? Have you not seen the papers or heard people talking around the county. There is more crime in our area than ever before. Burglaries, theft, carjackings, ... Read More 

Why more deputies? Really? Have you not seen the papers or heard people talking around the county. There is more crime in our area than ever before. Burglaries, theft, carjackings, sexual assaults on children, child abuse, drugs (especially in Stockdale and La Vernia), the list goes on and on. OH and don't forget the animal calls.
Jailers and dispatchers are important as well. Dispatchers are the first line of communication when someone has an emergency. Our deputies will not be making $48,000 a year--ask them. Next time you see them out and about, ask what their take home is. Ask them about their health insurance and if their families are covered by it. Their deductiable alone is more than what most take home. Their retirement, is standard through the county government that all county employees in the state of Texas have. Their retirement is a joke, they won't be able to retire like some others do, they will have to work to continue to make ends meet. Deputies, dispatcher and jailers do NOT work what other county employees work. When one of them has to call in sick, there is no phone call to make to find a fill in, there is NO fill in for them. They do not work 8-5, they are all on 12 hour shifts and rotating at that, so while everyone gets holidays and weekends they don't. They work to keep our county safe.
Why are you all so anti-law enforcement? I'm sure when you need something you are the first to call 911 or 393-2535 to report that a dog did business in your yard, or there is a cow in the road or even more your house was broken into. Or while driving you notice an out of control driver and call to have them stop that driver before they kill someone. You asked in another forum why anti-military? No one is anti-military, they get plenty of perks in the states and bells and whistles when they move out of the country. All jobs are voluntary, if you don't like it, leave. Luckily WCSO has a few committed individuals that are going to stay no matter what they make, but it is nice to make something that you can live on and support a family. Unlike other occupations that give you housing, free medical, travel expenses and so forth.
FISD could not give raises because of their promises during the bond. They stated they would not raise school taxes because they were going to raise every year to pay for the new high school, football field, athletic facilities, and elementary school. Although the teachers are getting stipends, which is still the same. Have you seen their pay scale? Teachers start at $42,000. Aides and auxilary staff start at $12,000.
One thing PG, you stated your name was James, I honestly hope you never ever ever ever need any law enforcement in your time, because it would be wasted time on you. Luckily you hide and they will never know who you truly are. Airborne they already know who you are.

 

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Very good points PG, they kind of sound like politicians, giving themselves raises every year. Raises should be based on performance and not yearly COLA. Not sure what ... Read More 

Very good points PG, they kind of sound like politicians, giving themselves raises every year. Raises should be based on performance and not yearly COLA. Not sure what deputies make, but not like were a big city like SA, where we have crimes going on every minute

 

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S.C. Why is good to have more deputies ? Read government
employees. Why do jailers and dispatchers deserve a
raise. Your idea of hard working differs considerably
from ... Read More 

S.C. Why is good to have more deputies ? Read government
employees. Why do jailers and dispatchers deserve a
raise. Your idea of hard working differs considerably
from mine.
The late Dan Cook had this saying "I wake up each
morning in mortal fear of getting what I really deserve."

 

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Good to have more deputies! And hardworking employees like jailers, dispatchers, etc. DESERVE a raise. ELECTED OFFICIALS, however, should have the gumption to forgo that ... Read More 

Good to have more deputies! And hardworking employees like jailers, dispatchers, etc. DESERVE a raise. ELECTED OFFICIALS, however, should have the gumption to forgo that raise. They knew what the salary (and ample benefits) were when they ran! And don't worry. We are not going to loose our constables and commissioners to the oil industry.

 

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COLA raises of 3% for county employees while taxpayers
on social security are projected to received less than
2% sounds fair to no one except may those voting to
to raise ... Read More 

COLA raises of 3% for county employees while taxpayers
on social security are projected to received less than
2% sounds fair to no one except may those voting to
to raise their own pay. Does the county have a special
CPI to base their actions ?

 

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FISD appears to be one of the few taxing groups
willing to face the fact that taxpayers are not
a open ended money source.
Regarding the increased personnel in the WCSO, ... Read More 

FISD appears to be one of the few taxing groups
willing to face the fact that taxpayers are not
a open ended money source.
Regarding the increased personnel in the WCSO, the
average salary and benefits cost for each deputy will
be $48000.00. Of course those above the entry level
will cost more. So much for inadequate compensation.
Of course, there will be increased equipment and
operating costs. Sleep well Wilson County....Barney
is on patrol....:)