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‘Incorrect’ info hamstrings election results recount


‘Incorrect’ info hamstrings election results recount
WILLIAM J. GIBBS JR. Rose Pruski of the Wilson County Elections Office (left) and Wilson County Auditor Verna Gorzell canvass the totals Nov. 13 of the Nov. 5 certificates of obligation election.


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November 20, 2013
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Alleged incorrect information provided by the Wilson County Clerk’s Office has stalled a potential recount of the ballots cast Nov. 5 to determine if the county will proceed with certificates of obligation to fund several projects, including repairs to the historic Wilson County Courthouse.

The canvass Nov. 13 confirmed the 11-vote difference -- 1,243 votes for and 1,232 votes against -- from election night.

There was an increasing effort to request a recount. But that effort died, due to what Carter Thomas of Texans for Constitutional Government alleges was misinformation given by Wilson County Clerk Eva Martinez. Thomas, in a complaint filed with the Texas Secretary of State’s Office Elections Division, reported that more than the required number of voters had signed a petition to request the recount and that more than $2,700 had been collected to pay for it.

“When I met with the county clerk, I was told that I would need significantly more than the $2,720 down payment, as there would be administrative costs for the voting machine -- which the county owns -- and salaries for the county judge and/or county clerk who would be running the recount,” wrote Thomas.

Organizers later discovered that they only needed $1,700, which is why Thomas has asked the state to provide an explanation of specifically what would have been needed for the recount to go forward.

Additionally, Thomas alleges that the ballot used in the election was fraudulent, as not all of the items listed to be financed by the $8.5 million would be funded. (See “County proposal wins by 11 votes,” Nov 13.).

Thomas’ inquiry about the election follows one made by Floresville City Councilman Jim Miller, who in October filed a complaint with the Secretary of State’s Office, alleging that the proposition was “misleading, if not outright fraudulent.” As of press time, Miller said he had not received a response.

Following the Nov. 13 meeting, Martinez directed questions about why the county would not pay for the recount to County Judge Marvin Quinney.

“In an election that small, I don’t consider 11 votes to be all that close,” he said.

This is despite the ballot proposition indicating that ad valorem tax funds would be used to repay the funds and earlier remarks by Quinney that the expenditure could affect property-tax bills for the next 20 years.

As a result, Thomas and Joann Juhasz of the Wilson County Patriots are asking citizens to press lawmakers, including state Sen. Judith Zaffirini and Rep. John Kuempel, to author legislation that would require a county to foot the bill for automatic recounts following close elections.

For more on the Nov. 13 meeting, see article 3A, or see http://www.wilsoncountynews.com/article.php?id=54945.

The Numbers

•Amount of certificates to be
issued: $8.5 million
•Total number of ballots cast in the election: 2,783
•Number of votes tallied for certificates: 2,475 -- 1,243 for, 1,232 against
•Total number or registered
voters in the county: 27,808
•Amount needed to request a recount: $1,700*
*Remains in dispute
 

Your Opinions and Comments

 
Carter Thomas  
Floresville, TX  
November 21, 2013 4:33pm
 
Newguyntown, You are welcome. I must add that there were only three people in the room when this happened. I was one of them and Howard Berger was not one of them. The Secretary of State said they (Sec State) got it wrong. Howard ... More ›

 
newguyntown  
floresville  
November 21, 2013 12:38pm
 
thanks for the clarification carter and howard. that is what I was trying to find out.

 
Sam Eagle  
Muppet Land  
November 21, 2013 11:45am
 
Cuz it's the blaaaaaaaaaaame game! Donkey donkey, yo donkey. Take your blame don't be spunky. Don't be so coy like a monkey, donkey. Admit the screw up, don't be slick. The gubmit games just make us sick. Don't bully ... More ›

 
Howard C Berger  
Floresville, TX  
November 21, 2013 11:31am
 
Newguyntown: That is a perceptive question. The answer is, the Secretary of State got it wrong. They provided bad information to the County Clerk. As I understand it, the clerk's office was attempting to get the info requested ... More ›

 
Carter Thomas  
Floresville, TX  
November 21, 2013 10:36am
 
Newguyntown, I will deal in only facts. The facts of the matter are as follows: The County Clerk gave me information I did not agree with and turned out to be incorrect. I asked the Sec State for clarification. The Sec State's ... More ›

 
newguyntown  
floresville  
November 21, 2013 9:45am
 
carter was the county clerk incorrect as well ?

 
Carter Thomas  
Floresville, TX  
November 20, 2013 6:24pm
 
Mr. Tibbs, The State told me that a new lawyer at their office had given the wrong information to the County. That is why the Sec. State called me. Read my previous comment. The bottom line was, the actual cost to request was ... More ›

 
Mr. Tibbs  
Floresville  
November 20, 2013 5:15pm
 
carter who was wrong the state or the county clerk ?

 
Carter Thomas  
Floresville, TX  
November 20, 2013 4:54pm
 
New Guy, I was called by a person at the Secretary of State's Office and told they were sorry I got the wrong information on Friday at approximately 3:10 PM. They said we had until 5:00 PM if we wanted to request a recount. ... More ›

 
New Guy  
Wilson County  
November 20, 2013 3:57pm
 
So, I am trying to figure out where we stand now. Do you still need money?

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