July 23, 2008 6:17pm
|Pagan gods existences are acknowledged in parts of the bible. Not as false gods, either, b ut as actual existing deities.
As for BOTH of you, I've read the bible numerous times and I'm reading through the King James Version for the 3rd time.
The creation story that occurs from Gen 2:7 onwards is separate completely, as everything that happens regarding the creation of all the animals, including humans, is in the opposite order of what is found in Gen 1:1-2:6.
Translations can't change that.
And furthermore, in regards to original languages, there are direct translations of the Torah. However, I say what I say in regards to the Christian bible because so many people, especially extreme fundamentalists (mostly evangelicals, the nuts), regard it as literal fact. Direct translation of the torah is in no way precise about a 7-day creation, just that the creation happened on 7 separate days, but not at all in the standard one-day-after-the-other means which Christians believe it occurred.
The devoutly faithful are mentally ill. If anyone claimed to have an almost identical set of beliefs, with minor name substitutions, without the context of organized religion, they'd be considered clinically insane. Facts can change the belief of those who aren't blindly devout fools. There are free thinkers in your midst that are members of your religion because of the fact that it's overly traditionalized and they've been made to go to church since birth. Those are the ones taht will take all of this in and shrug off the shackles of mental slavery that is religion, particularly Christianity.
If I was in Europe I'd be making the same arguments against Islam, as IT is the greatest threat to the freedom of the citizens of Europe. Such is Christianity here.
As for what Steve says about the constitution, Separation of Church and State is clear in the detailed wording of the first amendment in regards to religion. Which should be updated, because not only should the government not endorse any religion, it shouldn't allow any to run so rampant as it has. Dangerous things happen when religious leaders start to have a say in politics, whether it be directly or by influencing the votes of their followers.
And as far as what I said about John's grammar, it does not invalidate my argument in the least. It irks me when adults try to argue things out with me using first grade level grammar and kindergarten level spelling. It takes away from the intellectual validity of their argument/point. Saying that I'm being intolerant is a very hypocritical statement from someone who's part of one of the most intolerant religions in the history of all on mankind's great civilization. Christians make every attempt to block people's rights, as well as take as many steps as possible to hinder scientific progress, especially in the medical field. All because of blind devotion to the 2000 year old writings of drunken shepherds and tyrannical priests, most of which are stolen mythologies.
I don't copy and paste anything from Atheist websites. I Might cite a few for sources, and use some for sources, but that's because sources are what make or break an argument like this.
Neither of you have done a very good job of countering me with anything truly relevant of that completely explains the 37-13 verse contradiction about multiple gods.
That's just going to get worse for your side over the next few letters.
Also, regarding my statement about taking the bible 100% literal or having to dismiss it completely: This must become the standard, simply because the majority of christians like to take some parts literally while dismissing the rest as fanciful narrative, all while ignoring complete sections all together. Like verses about stoning to death disobedient children, murdering non-believers, witches, etc.
As usual it is not my arguments, but yours, that are flawed, because they're pure conjecture.
And no matter what, the Trinity didn't exist in Genesis at all. No getting around that whatsoever. Keep trying, I'm sure that at least the youth who read these articles will at least wake up to the truth. Especially if they're disturbed by hiveminds.