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Mike  
Floresville  
November 28, 2008 1:47am
 		 I don't understand what you mean by different logical systems? Here is an article on logic in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

Can you point out what you mean by a different kind of logic? I assume that you don't mean 1+1=3.

My point was that if someone has a religious experience and thereafter has faith, no application of logic is required to sustain that faith. It is a belief held irrespective of logic. It may be a true belief or a false belief, but it is a belief. It is not on a par with the statement 1+1=2. I don't say that I believe that 1+1=2. I say 1+1=2. 1+1=2 can actually be proven using standard mathematical logic. I do say, however, that I believe in God or that I do not believe in God. It is a matter of faith. I cannot perform replicable experiments to prove God's existence. The great mathematician Euler had a proof of God: the story is as follows: Once at the court of Catherine the Great Euler met a French philosopher named Denis Diderot. Diderot was a convinced athiest, and was trying to convince the Russians into athism also. Catherine was very annoyed by this and she asked for Euler's help. Euler thought about it and when he began a theological discussion with Diderot, Euler said: " (a+b^n)/n = x, therefore God exists" Diderot was said to know almost nothing about algebra, and therefore returned to Paris.

Leonard Euler called this a proof, but I think that was merely a recognition of the wonder of existence and completely tongue-in-cheek. I am not saying that your belief in God is wrong or right. I am not belittling you for your belief in God. What I am asking you to do is recognize that others do not hold your belief - and, moreover, that they should not be expected to hold your belief. It is also, extremely insulting to others when you say that your source for truth is the only correct source. And then you are unable through any recognized means to prove your statement. You cannot prove your statement because it exists in a belief system outside of logic. Thinking that there is a special kind of logic for metaphysics is wrong. Whatever it is, it is not logic. A quick course on epistemology might prove helpful here.

Her is an url for hundreds of "proofs" of God's existence:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Here are some examples - substitute Zeus for God in each argument:


TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) I can conceive of a perfect God.
(2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I), a.k.a. DESIGN ARGUMENT
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (I)
(1) My aunt had cancer.
(2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
(3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have cancer.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
     
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