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December 1, 2008 10:57pm

"You stated:

I never said that you could prove the KJV true. Where did you get this? I simply said from my studies, that I believe it to be true. That's my axiom. That's my starting point. You can't prove axioms. Have you ever taken a basic math logic class?? But, once you have chosen your axioms, you can develop a system logically (using the rules of logic) based on those axioms. Have you paid any attention to what you were reading in any of my posts?"

I reply:

I think you are being more than a little disingenuous here. I don't believe that you simply take the KJV's truth as an axiom. I think that you have reasons for believing that it is the truth. I could, for example, take false axioms, and build with logic an elaborate system. It is internally coherent. One can move through syllogistic logic from proof to proof. Nevertheless, it does not describe reality. It is a whimsical creation of logic from false axioms.

When you say that you believe the KJV is the truth, you do not mean that the KJV may be a false axiom - do you? Moreover, it is not the foundation of your belief, it is the pinnacle.

The only point I have tried to make throughout this discussion is rather a modest one: "Belief" and "faith" are not empirical terms. It's as simple as that.

I'm sorry that earlier, I was unable to be this succinct. I had to let my pen rest for a while to clarify my thinking.

Happy Kwanzaa
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